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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2024 - Q1
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Operator

Greetings and welcome to the Greystone Housing Impact Investors Conference Call. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to your moderator today, Mr. Jesse Coury, CFO, for opening remarks. Thank you sir. You may begin. .

Jesse Coury

Thank you. I would like to welcome everyone to the Greystone Housing Impact Investors LP, NYSE ticker symbol GHI First Quarter of 2024 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] After management presents its overview of Q1 2024, you will be invited to participate in a question-and-answer session.

As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. During this conference call, comments made regarding GHI, which are not historical facts are forward-looking statements and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause the actual future events or results to differ materially from these statements.

Such forward-looking statements are made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements can be identified by the use of words like may, should, expect, plan, intend, focus and other similar terms.

You are cautioned that these forward-looking statements speak only as of today's date. Changes in economic, business, competitive, regulatory and other factors could cause our actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by the projections or forward-looking statements made today.

For more detailed information about these factors and other risks that may impact our business, please review the periodic reports and other documents filed from time-to-time by us with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Internal projections and beliefs upon which we base our expectations may change, but if they do, you will not necessarily be informed. Today's discussion will include non-GAAP measures and will be explained during this call.

We want to make you aware that GHI is operating under the SEC Regulation FD and encourage you to take full advantage of the question-and-answer session. Thank you for your participation and interest in Greystone Housing Impact Investors LP. I will now turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Ken Rogozinski. .

Kenneth Rogozinski

1 for a project in Colorado and 3 projects in Texas. Sitework has commenced on 2 projects and construction has commenced on 1 of the projects in Texas.

Our joint venture equity investment in Valage Senior Living Carson Valley, a 102-bed seniors housing property located in Minden, Nevada, has begun vertical construction, and the project currently has lease deposits for 48 of the property's 102 units.

Our joint venture equity investment in The Jessam at Hays Farm, a new-construction 318-unit market-rate multifamily property located in Huntsville, Alabama, has commenced vertical construction as well. As previously announced, in December 2023, we sold our final MF property investment, the Suites on Paseo student housing project.

The partnership no longer owns any operating real estate property investments. With that, I will turn things over to Jesse Coury, our CFO, to discuss the financial data for the first quarter of 2024. .

Jesse Coury

31% of our portfolio relates to properties in Texas, 27% in California, and 20% in South Carolina. We currently own 9 governmental issuer loans that finance the construction or rehabilitation of affordable multifamily properties across 5 states.

Such loans often have companion property loans or taxable governmental issuer loans that share the first mortgage lien. During the first quarter, we advanced funds totaling $9.1 million for our governmental issuer loan, taxable governmental issuer loan and property loan commitments.

During the first quarter, we completed one conversion of our governmental issuer loan investment to permanent financing by Freddie Mac. The governmental issuer loan investment was purchased at par value by Freddie Mac pursuant to its forward purchase commitment.

In addition, our related taxable governmental issuer loan was repaid by the borrower at par. Redemption proceeds for the governmental issuer loan and taxable governmental issuer loan totaled $34 million, of which $28 million was used to pay off our related TOB debt financing.

Our outstanding future funding commitments for our mortgage revenue bonds, governmental issuer loan and related investments was $26 million as of March 31. These commitments will be funded over approximately 24 months and will add to our income-producing asset base.

We also expect to receive redemption proceeds from our existing construction financing investments nearing maturity, which will be redeployed into our remaining funding commitments. We applied the CECL standard to establish credit loss reserves for our debt investments and related investment funding commitments.

We reported a negative provision for credit loss of $806,000 for the first quarter, largely driven by recent governmental issuer loan, taxable governmental issuer loan and property loan redemptions and a reduction in the weighted average life of our remaining investment portfolio.

We have adjusted back the impact of the provision for credit losses in calculating CAD, consistent with our historical treatment of loss allowances. Our joint venture equity investments portfolio consisted of 12 properties as of March 31, with a reported carrying value of approximately $145 million.

We advanced additional equity under our current funding commitments totaling $7 million during the first quarter. Our remaining funding commitments for JV equity investments totaled $54.3 million as of March 31.

Our debt financing facilities are used to leverage our investments and had an outstanding principal balance totaling $980 million as of March 31. This is down $37 million from December 31, primarily due to debt repayments associated with the redemption of our debt investments.

We manage and report our debt financing in 4 main categories on Page 73 of our Form 10-Q; 3 of the 4 categories, fixed-rate assets with fixed-rate debt, variable-rate assets with variable-rate debt and fixed-rate assets with variable-debt that is hedged with interest rate swaps, are designed such that our net return is generally insulated from changes in short-term interest rates.

These categories account for $921 million or 93.7% of our total debt financing. The fourth category is variable-rate debt associated with fixed-rate assets with no designated hedging, which is where we are most exposed to interest rate risk in the near term. This category only represents $60 million or 6.3% of our total debt financing.

We regularly monitor our interest rate risk exposure for this category and may implement hedges in the future, if considered appropriate. On the preferred capital front, we executed 2 issuances of our Series B preferred units in the first quarter.

The first issuance was $17.5 million of Series B preferred units that were exchanged for $17.5 million of previously issued Series A preferred units. The second issuance was a sale of $5 million of Series B preferred units to a new investor for $5 million of gross proceeds.

The earliest redemption date of the newly issued Series B preferred units is early 2030 with certain limited exceptions. These issuances provide nondilutive fixed rate and low-cost institutional capital for executing our strategy. We redeemed our last remaining $10 million of Series A preferred units in April 2024.

After this redemption, the next earliest redemption date for our outstanding preferred units is not until April of 2028. We continue to pursue additional issuances of preferred units under active offerings for our Series A1 and Series B preferred units.

In March 2024, we reactivated our at-the-market or ATM offering to sell up to $50 million of newly issued units into the market. We sold 64,765 units under the ATM program for gross proceeds of approximately $1.1 million during the first quarter.

Units issued under the ATM program allowed us to raise additional capital without price dilution and at a substantially reduced cost to a traditional follow-on offering. I'll now turn the call over to Ken for his update on market conditions and our investment pipeline. .

Kenneth Rogozinski

Thanks, Jesse. The months of March and April saw rates in the muni bond market trend higher as fixed income investors came to grips with seeing potential Fed rate cuts push further into the future due to persistent inflation. The Bloomberg Municipal Index posted a total return of negative 1.2% for March and April.

The Bloomberg High-Yield Municipal Index generated a total return of positive 0.6% for the same 2-month period. From a market technicals perspective, the first 4 months of the year saw $141 billion of gross issuance with many market participants predicting 2024 total issuance of over $400 billion.

Through April, year-to-date fund and ETF inflows totaled $6.6 billion according to Refinitiv. As of yesterday's close, 10-year MMD is at 2.7% and 30-year MMD is at 3.8%, roughly 25 basis points higher in yield, respectively, than at the time of last quarter's call.

This is consistent with the bare flattening of the broader fixed income yield curves that we have seen so far this year. With this flattening trend, 10-year MMD is actually the low point of the current EE yield curve. The 10-year muni-to-treasury ratio was still approximately 60%, demonstrating the recent strength of munis.

Continued volatility in rates; the magnitude of interest rate increases in the past 18 months, particularly in the short end of the curve; and cost inflation have presented challenges to our developer clients on new transactions.

Our affordable housing developer clients continue to rely on more and more governmental subsidies and other sources of soft money to make their transactions financially feasible.

We continue to work with our clients to deliver the most cost-effective capital possible, especially the use of the Freddie Mac tax exempt loan forward commitment in association with our construction lending. We will continue to look for other opportunities to deploy capital in our JV equity strategy on a selective basis.

We believe that getting new projects underway now while other sponsors face significant challenges, will put us in a better position for success with our exits 3 to 5 years down the road when new supply may be limited. We believe that our new JV equity investments made in 2023 and 2024 are reflective of that approach.

With that, Jesse and I are happy to take your questions. .

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Jason Weaver with Jones Trading. .

Jason Weaver

First, I was wondering about on the JV equity investments, could you talk a bit about specifically those that are in construction or in the lease-up phase, whether that they're adhering to original business plan time lines?.

Kenneth Rogozinski

That's something that we monitor on a regular basis, Jason. We continually look at the progress of the individual projects, both in terms of construction completion schedules, lease-up and how the projects are performing from a revenue and expense perspective versus the originally underwritten pro forma there.

And from a timing perspective, we have not seen any significant delays versus the original pro formas. There have been some assets who've had individual challenges, be it weather delays or local governmental approvals and things like that.

But nothing at this point in time that has been, at least from our perspective, a significant deviation from the plan we expected to see there. From a leasing perspective, the deals that are either stabilized or close to stabilized, we believe have adhered well to the original underwriting pro forma on those transactions.

And for the deals that have just started leasing, I think it's a little too soon to tell on that front, but it's something that we continue to monitor on a regular basis. .

Jason Weaver

All right. That's actually very helpful.

I was wondering on your priority for capital deployment, if you could discuss that broadly within the asset classes that you're in right now? And where you see -- or where you can ballpark incremental sort of ROE?.

Kenneth Rogozinski

So in terms of capital deployment, one thing you need to keep in mind is the limitation that we have under our limited partnership agreement that 75% of our assets have to be invested in mortgage investments. And those are the mortgage revenue bonds, the governmental issuer loans, and the associated property loans.

So it's not like Jesse and I can wake up tomorrow morning and decide that we would want to become the JV equity kings of the Midwest and deploy our capital in that way. We have that limiter built within the partnership agreement, so we keep our focus there.

I think in terms of generating the regular level of income that we like to see from that debt investment portfolio, as opposed to the lumpier income that we see from our joint venture equity investments, we strive to keep the right balance there on that front.

So really, at the end of the day, as we evaluate the individual investment opportunities that come before us, the first standard or the first test that we apply really is that accretion versus our current dividend level to make sure that we can price either our lending product or expect the return from our JV equity investments to be consistent with both our current dividend yield and the historic returns that we've seen for taking that kind of risk.

And so that is really the focus that we have. I don't think we really prioritize one over the other. I think it's a question of evaluating the opportunities that we see from our origination force.

And as I mentioned in my comments, just sort of particularly with the current landscape with our JV equity investments, really keeping our eye on the ball there in terms of the markets that we're entering and the partners that we're working with. .

Jason Weaver

All right. And just one final one.

I don't know if you ran a month in valuation on the existing holdings as of April, but do you have an updated estimate of book value?.

Jesse Coury

Jason, we don't have an estimate of that value that we can share. I will refer back to one of my remarks that we're really a net spread business, and we're focused on generating income and cash flows for our unitholders.

So in terms of the changing values in the mortgage revenue bond or governmental issuer loan portfolio due to market rate changes, we don't focus on that too much. It's more the net spread that we can generate from those investments, essentially the net between our interest income and the interest expense on a related debt financing. .

Kenneth Rogozinski

Jason, the only color out there is that's not something that we hedged. We're not hedging the kind of the quarterly or the monthly mark-to-market value of our underlying investments, unlike some of the other industry peers that we have out there.

Our interest rate swap portfolio is almost exclusively to hedge the interest cost of our financing in order to really lock in that net interest margin on our investments, as Jesse described. So we do get some benefit of that, albeit flowing through the income statement as opposed to on a book value basis.

But historically, the management team at the partnership has really not hedged or not managed against the book value of the underlying portfolio since we are, at our core, a buy and hold investor. .

Operator

The next question comes from Chris Muller with JMP Securities. .

Christopher Muller

So on the supplemental distribution, is that something that we should expect to stay in place for the remainder of 2024? And can you just remind me, is that something that the Board looks at quarterly? Or are they looking at that on an annual basis?.

Kenneth Rogozinski

I think there, Chris, in terms of the communication that we and the Board made around the supplemental distributions over the past couple of years as they've been made. It's really been focused on -- a supplement to our sort of our core or our base dividend, based on transactional activity.

We had a couple of quarters there where we saw significant gains from some of our joint venture equity investment liquidations, and the Board took the approach of making those supplemental distributions either in the form of cash or additional units. So that philosophy, I think it will continue to be implemented or managed by then.

So it's really going to be driven largely by what we see over the remainder of this year in terms of the potential gains that might be generated from any of the JV equity investment that we have that are sort of poised for sale at this point in time. So there's not a particular formula that they apply, so to speak.

But I think based on what they've communicated in the past, that was the genesis for the implementation of those supplemental distributions, and I think they'll stay consistent in terms of looking to apply that methodology in the future, depending on what the actual results are of any potential JV equity investment redemptions. .

Christopher Muller

Got it. .

Jesse Coury

The only thing I would ask is that the Board looks at it quarterly when they're announcing or declaring their distribution, but they take a longer term view of returns and aren't setting the distribution based on the quarterly fluctuations in our earnings metrics. The natural timeframe is the annual timeframe.

Because we have schedule K-1s that we issue to unitholders, and they have to pay taxes on the income allocated during that period or during that tax year. So that's a probably better alignment of how the Board is looking at it from a longer-term perspective. .

Christopher Muller

Got it. That's helpful. And it sounds like we could see another possible sale or 2 this year. So we can read between the lines there. I guess the other question I have.

So it looks like cash balances picked up a little bit quarter-over-quarter, was that just related to the timing of redemptions? Or are you guys trying to build a little more liquidity?.

Jesse Coury

It was largely the result of redemptions. We had roughly $120 million of debt investments that were deemed during the quarter, which net of the related TOB financing that got paid down was a significant increase in cash during the quarter, which we'll look to deploy here into our investment commitments in the next probably 1 or 2 quarters. .

Christopher Muller

Got it. Very helpful. .

Operator

The next question comes from Stephen Laws with Raymond James. .

Stephen Laws

Appreciate the commentary so far. Ken, I wanted to circle back. You talked about the higher rate and just kind of impact that was having on bars and developers that you work with.

Can you talk a little bit more about that as far as discussions and that impact? Is it stabilizing rates as opposed to this up 50, down 50 every 3 months that we seem to be seeing? Is that more helpful? Or is there some magic number of rates going back to 4.25 or 4 or lower that they really need? Can you talk a little bit more about the distress they're experiencing and what rate environment would benefit them?.

Kenneth Rogozinski

It's a combination of factors, I'd say, Stephen. The first is, if you look at the normal capital stack of one of our new construction of 4% LIHTC transaction, you not only have the debt, but you have the value of the equity that they're syndicating there as well.

And so as yields in other markets [ are up ], those low income housing tax credit are going to be looking to achieve higher yields as well, which translates into lower pricing, making the distribution [ incidents harder to push.] Because getting less dollars coming in, in the form of equity of credits that should otherwise add.

So I think that's one area where just the overall level of rates is having that negative impact because of how tax credit investors are pricing. The other thing is the level of rates that we see, for the -- for example, the Freddie TEL Forward perm loans that are part of our financing structure.

Higher rates there are translating into lower perm loan proceeds for sponsors, since in our experience most of the deals end up being debt service coverage constraint from a perm loan underwriting perspective. And so you have lower permanent sources of capital there as well.

And so developers get this squeeze of lower perm loan proceeds, lower LIHTC proceeds. Their normal solution to that is deferring more of their developer fee. At some point in time, you hit the limits of the ability to do that based on the tax parameters and what the state housing finance agencies have as their criteria for deferred developer fees.

So it's really a combination of all of those factors. Generally, no surprise, lower rates would be better for them. But kind of this 50 basis point trading range on the 10-year that we seem to be stuck in versus the Fed cutting rates on the short end of the curve. I think everybody would love to see lower construction financing costs.

But quite candidly, we don't see a lot of our project sponsors, particularly on the Low Income Housing Tax Credit deals, doing floating reconstruction financing because their tax credit equity investors don't like seeing that risk in the transaction.

So a long answer, but I think generally it's an overall lower [ cost ] that I think will ultimately translate better dynamics for the industry.

And I think we'll just have to wait and see that if and when these first round of Fed rate cut happen this year, what the market reaction [ would be ], whether we see kind of a breakout from this trading range that we've been in to [indiscernible]. .

Stephen Laws

Great. Appreciate the comments on that, Ken. I wanted to touch on, in this higher rate environment with multifamily cap rates moving a little higher.

And I know you've mentioned you don't control the sale on decision on these assets, but when you talk with Vantage, do they look at, are they in the business more to recycle capital? And they want to look at exits to fund their next development? And you mentioned, how it's an attractive time to start those given deliveries in 3 to 5 years? Or do you think any of these assets, Vantage would look at it as holding for a couple of years, just given to look to sell into a more attractive cap rate environment on multifamily?.

Kenneth Rogozinski

As you said, Stephen, the decision is theirs. It's not something that we control. But their business model historically has this [ merchant build ] strategy. They're not really long term owner-operators of these assets.

So I'm speaking only from our perspective as their limited partner on these deals, I think our expectation would be that business format continues. We really don't have a mechanic within our operating agreement that would allow for them to sort of opt to switch to a long term, a long term plan.

So I believe that the -- from our perspective, the strategy would look to stay consistent going forward. And I think the real value that can be added in this process is for -- the maximization of gross rent and fine tune the projects as they get ready for sale, but also looking for a potential different investor class to buy these assets.

We're not necessarily focusing on the same family office or 1031 exchange investors who may have historically been purchasers of our projects.

You look at either nonprofit purchasers or purchasers or people who have access to different sources of capital that might not be pricing the same way that [ ages ] or bridge loan financing might for your typical for profit institutional owner. .

Stephen Laws

Great. Appreciate that color. And one final one. You had mentioned now being a good time potentially to continue to build out additional JV multifamily. Do you think you'll do that with the existing sponsors? It was Vantage for a long time. You added Freestone, [ Camden, ISL ] on the Senior Living.

Do you think the future deals will be with your existing partners? Or are you looking to expand the partners you're working with as well?.

Kenneth Rogozinski

I think, Stephen, it depends on the opportunities that we see. I mean, our existing partners continue to present opportunities for us that we evaluate. But being part of the broader Greystone platform, there's no shortage of introductions and contacts to other potential sponsors that we see through that network of relationships.

So I think from our perspective, as we get a little further into the year, see what potential sales activity is going to be and capital we might have to recycle and what additional capital might come, right? We'll have those regular conversations with our existing partners.

We'll see if there may be other opportunities that come across the transom that we decide that we want to pursue. But with a stable of 4 partners right now, I feel confident in their ability to continue to show good quality transactions too. .

Operator

[Operator Instructions] There are no further questions in queue at this time. I would like to turn the conference back to Mr. Ken Rogozinski for closing comments. .

Kenneth Rogozinski

Thank you very much, everyone, for joining us today. We look forward to speaking with you again next quarter. .

Operator

Thank you. This does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation, and have a great day..

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