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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2017 - Q2
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Executives

Lisa Laukkanen - The Blueshirt Group Barry Zwarenstein - CFO and Corporate Secretary Michael Burkland - Chairman of the Board, CEO and President.

Analysts

David Hynes - Canaccord Genuity Sterling Auty - JPMorgan Mohit Gogia - Barclays Capital Meta Marshall - Morgan Stanley Nikolay Beliov - Bank of America Merrill Lynch Jeffrey Rhee - Craig-Hallum Capital Group.

Operator

Good day and welcome to the Five9, Inc., Q2 2017 Earnings Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. And at this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Lisa Laukkanen with Blueshirt Group.. Please go ahead..

Lisa Laukkanen

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, everyone and thank you for joining us on today's conference call to discuss Five9's second quarter 2017 results. Today's call is being hosted by Mike Burkland, CEO; and Barry Zwarenstein, CFO.

During the course of this conference call, Five9's management team will make projections and other forward-looking statements regarding the future financial performance of the company, industry trends, company initiatives and other future events.

You are cautioned that such statements are simply predictions, should not be unduly relied upon by investors and actual events or results may differ materially and the company undertakes no obligation to update the information in such statements.

These statements are subject to substantial risks and uncertainties that could adversely affect Five9's future results and cause these forward-looking statements to be inaccurate.

A more-detailed discussion of certain of the risk factors that could cause these forward-looking statements to be inaccurate and that you should consider in evaluating Five9 and its prospects is included in the caption Risk Factors and elsewhere in Five9's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

In addition, management will make reference to non-GAAP financial measures during this call.

Management believes that non-GAAP financial information is useful because it can enhance the understanding of the company's ongoing performance and Five9, therefore, uses non-GAAP financial information internally to evaluate and manage the company's operations.

This non-GAAP financial information should be considered along with and not as a replacement for financial information reported under GAAP and could be different than the non-GAAP financial information provided by other companies in our industry.

A full reconciliation of the GAAP to non-GAAP financial data can be found in the company's press release issued earlier this afternoon and is also available on the Investor Relations section of Five9's Web site. Now I'd like to turn the call over to Five9 CEO Mike Burkland..

Michael Burkland Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Thank you, Lisa. Welcome, everyone, to our second quarter 2017 earnings call. I'm very pleased to report that our second quarter revenue exceeded our expectations growing 23% to a record $47.7 million. This revenue growth continues to be driven by our enterprise business, which delivered 39% growth in LTM enterprise subscription revenue.

This is a key metric that reflects the growth in our enterprise business, which is the majority of our overall revenue mix. Furthermore, we continue to deliver leverage in our business model with record adjusted EBITDA of $3 million in the second quarter, our seventh consecutive quarter of positive results on this metric.

The improvements to adjusted EBITDA continue to be driven by our enterprise business, which enjoyed excellent unit economics and is consistently increasing as a proportion of total revenue. I'm also extremely pleased to report that we had our best quarter ever for enterprise bookings in Q2. Our pipeline reached another all-time high as well.

Our exceptional bookings were driven by the massive push towards modernization of customer service and contact center technologies, the improved market landscape, the growth in our direct sales force, and leverage from our expanding ecosystem of partner.

This ecosystem of partners influenced more than 50% of our enterprise deal flow in the second quarter.

As a reminder, Five9 has deep partnerships with industry leaders in areas such as CRM, with the likes of Salesforce, Oracle, Zendesk, and Microsoft, WFO with the likes of Calabrio, Verint, and CallMiner, and unified communications with Microsoft Skype for business and Cisco.

Our channel program continues to grow nicely and is yielding results beyond our expectations. For example, bookings from master agents and resellers represented more than 25% of our enterprise bookings in the second quarter.

Our rigorous channel partner on boarding program includes, sales and product training, as well as implementation and Tier 1 support training.

In addition, we have several tools including a partner portal for them to register opportunities, get valuable content, sales marketing campaign and request our [technical difficulty] The following metrics demonstrate our ongoing momentum in the enterprise market. First, 39% growth in LTM enterprise subscription revenue.

Second, enterprise revenue has grown to 71% of LTM revenue compared to 67% a year-ago. And third, we estimate that our win rate against two key cloud competitors again averaged over 70% in the second quarter. This ongoing success in our enterprise business continues to be driven by six key factors.

First, a massive market opportunity estimated at $24 billion in annual recurring revenue, and were cloud penetration is still only 10% to 15%. Second, our end-to-end solution providing the industry's most robust omnichannel solution.

Third, our investments in growing our enterprise quota-bearing sales headcount plus strong traction in our channel expansion initiatives.

Fourth, our unique high touch on-site implementation process performed by our professional services team as well as our ongoing personalized premium support service provided by our technical account management team.

In addition, Five9 has been consistently ranked well above our industry peers on metrics such as same-day case closure percentage, NPS score, as well as skills and technical training according to benchmarks compiled by the Technology Services Industry Association.

Fifth, we continue to deliver best-in-class reliability, security, compliance and scalability that meet the standards of large enterprises including for example some of the leading financial services and health-care company. We're extremely proud of our uptime performance which averaged 99.993% over the last 12 months.

And sixth, our customer first culture, which starts with our team of top-tier talent combined with a do whatever it takes mentality and a rigorous focus on cross functional customer success KPIs. Now I'd like to spend a few minutes talking about our latest product release.

Five9 recently announced our 2017 summer release for global enterprises, providing a powerful cloud platform that enables digital transformation. Today's global enterprise is aspired to engage with customers consistently regardless of location or device.

However, legacy systems have hampered their transformation to today's digital world, leading to poor and inconsistent customer experience. The Five9 summer release 2017, provides global enterprises a complete omnichannel solution for the holistic view of their customers journey across all touch point.

Enterprises can easily engage with customers anywhere in the world intelligently distributing interactions for the right agent, regardless of location. This new release delivers on three key areas.

First, our new voice platform for globally distributed contact centers built on our carrier grade Class 5 Softswitch enables enterprises to expand contact center capabilities to all parts of the globe by providing in region voice points of presence, also referred to as voice PoP.

These PoPs run on the public cloud avoiding the cost of establishing data centers as we enter new country. We've deployed voice PoPs in Australia, Japan, China, and other locations around the world. This allows enterprises to keep their calls in region ensuring high voice quality, low latency, and optimal cost.

This technology is designed to be fully cloud agnostic and include support for a variety of public clouds including Amazon AWS, Microsoft Azure and Google. In addition, Five9 is now fully localizable available in languages like Japanese, Chinese, French, German, Spanish, and many other.

Second, our modern micro-services platform for large to very large enterprises. As we continue to replace legacy systems like Avaya, Cisco, and Genesis with our modern cloud technology. This release changes the game by expanding our reach to very large global enterprises supporting many thousands of agents.

This platform is built on modular components communicating via REST APIs. This architecture meets today's needs of large enterprises for cloud resiliency, elasticity, scalability, and pace of innovation. Third, this release further enhances our solution for end-to-end customer experience.

Five9 has led co-development initiatives with strategic CRM, UC, and WFO partners to deliver a seamlessly integrated end-to-end cloud customer experience solution, designed for leading global enterprise. As part of this, we’ve delivered three key game changing integrations. Salesforce Lightning experience with omnichannel integration.

Salesforce and Five9 share a common vision to modernize customer experience. Both companies have a keen appreciation of superior customer care comes from having deep analytical insight and understanding of the entire customer journey across all points of engagement.

In fact, an omnichannel experience can only be delivered when CRM and contact center technologies operate together as a fully integrated solution. Salesforce Lightning opens up a whole new set of integration possibilities and Five9 is at the forefront of innovation on this new platform.

This means a uniquely designed single desktop with seamless integration between Five9 and Salesforce, which empowers agents with valuable customer journey analytics, context and history across all channels. The next key integration is with Microsoft Skype for business UC.

Our latest integration with Skype allows agents to seamlessly connect to knowledge workers that are outside the contact center directly from their CRM desktop, such as Salesforce, Oracle, Zendesk and Microsoft dynamics. We've also enhanced our WFO integrations with Verint and Calabrio.

In this latest release, we have jointly developed an end-to-end omnichannel WFO solution, all in the cloud to facilitate operational efficiencies across all customer channel. In addition, this latest release provides over 100 incremental features and enhancements designed to meet the day-to-day needs of our customers.

Five9 is executing on our promise and vision to deliver an end-to-end customer engagement solution.

Our summer release 2017 allows us to serve large enterprises with distributed contact centers on a globally scalable multi-language cloud platform to on board thousands of agents worldwide with no infrastructure to deploy or manage and the ability to scale up and down as needed.

Five9 summer release 2017 is an answer to today's enterprise that need the path to digital transformation, to engage with their customers on their term. I'm extremely proud of the entire Five9 team and our strategic partners, bringing in altogether with one goal in mind to deliver superior customer experiences on every interaction.

Now I'd like to share a few examples of key wins from the quarter. The first example is a multi-brand conglomerate with 650 concurrent contact center agents processing orders, providing shipping status, and servicing retailers as well as consumers.

They had been using a premise-based solution from Cisco, which was complex and time-consuming to perform even basic moves, adds and changes. Through the RFP process their decision was narrowed down to two cloud providers, and Five9 was selected.

A couple of key reasons we were selected include our user-friendly administration as well as our robust omnichannel solution. We estimate that this customer will generate approximately $1.2 million in annual recurring revenue to Five9.

The second example is a large gourmet food company that is using Five9 to power their inbound contact center serving their customers and prospects.

They were using a legacy Avaya premise system, which had become dated and in particular did not scale to handle the call volume during the peak season, and which could not support remote agents using virtual desktops.

After a competitive process involving other cloud vendors, Five9 was selected for multiple reasons, including our leading-edge IVR, CRM integration, and Verint WFO. We estimate this customer will generate approximately $900,000 in annual recurring revenue to Five9. The next example is a Fortune 1000 apparel manufacturer.

This customer is using Five9 for its e-commerce customer service organization. They were using a premise system that was expensive and required too many technical resources to maintain. That premise solution was also reaching end-of-life and the company decided like many others to move to the cloud.

One of the key reasons Five9 was selected is our jointly developed omnichannel integration with Oracle CRM. Another key reason was our global voice solution. As I mentioned earlier, which allows them to power their numerous contact centers around the world.

We estimate that this customer will generate approximately $600,000 in annual recurring revenue to Five9. Now I'd like to share an example of our customer base continuing to expand their use of Five9.

After implementing Five9 for their 500 concurrent seats nearly 3 years ago, this customer is now in the process of adding our award-winning omnichannel with chat, web analytics, and visual IVR in order to provide the complete customer journey history to the agent.

This provides the agent with valuable insight of where the customer has been, whether it's on their Web site or in the IVR, and gives the agent insight into customer intentions prior to them even speaking to the customer. This customer also added on the full workforce optimization suite powered by Calabrio.

We estimate that this customer will generate approximately $2.1 million in annual recurring revenue to Five9. With respect to the market landscape, the Avaya bankruptcy filing continues to provide a tailwind for us. Avaya has been the legacy solution that we replace most often and they still have the largest market share amongst legacy players.

The increased uncertainty around Avaya's future is causing more and more enterprises to look at alternative. We're also encouraged by the growing pipeline from our recently added Avaya channel partners.

With respect to the two cloud competitors that were acquired, our win rates continue to increase against them as they are being absorbed and integrated into their new current company.

In closing, I'm extremely pleased with our momentum in the enterprise market which is demonstrated by our strong enterprise subscription revenue growth of 39% on an LTM basis.

We believe that our powerful differentiated cloud contact center software combined with our continuing execution, puts Five9 in a great position, in the customer service market that is still in early days of a massive shift [technical difficulty].

This includes a shift to the cloud for both CRM solutions like Salesforce, Oracle, Zendesk and Microsoft, as well as contact center solutions like Five9. Our cloud contact center software is tightly integrated with these leading CRM solutions and we're going to market together to help our joint customers modernize their contact center.

I will now turn the call over to Barry to provide more color on the second quarter financials..

Barry Zwarenstein

Thank you, Mike. Revenue for the second quarter of 2017 was $47.7 million, up 23% year-over-year. This growth is all organic and reflects the continued strong growth in our enterprise business. It now make up 71% of LTM revenue. Our commercial business which represents the other 29% of LTM revenue continue to deliver growth of around 10%.

Recurring revenue accounted for 94% of our revenue in the second quarter. Recurring revenue is made up of monthly software subscriptions, which are based on the number of agency, but usage which is based upon minutes. We enjoy a high retention rate on these recurring revenues.

The other 6% of our revenue in the second quarter was comprised of professional services fee, generated from assisting clients in implementing and optimizing Five9 solutions. I will now discuss gross margin and expenses.

A reconciliation from GAAP to non-GAAP Result included in the appendix of our investor presentation in the Investor Relations section of our Web site. Adjusted gross margins were 62.3%,. an increase of 40 basis points from the second quarter of 2016. Given the nature of the gross margin improvement drivers that I will discuss in a moment.

Our year-over-year adjusted gross margin increases have not been large. The increases though have been consistent and have now increased year-over-year for 18 consecutive quarters. I will also remind you that we are making significant hires in our professional services team, in response to our strong bookings growth.

Specifically, our U.S professional services team at the end of June was 40% larger than a year-ago. This frontloaded investment positions us to have the trained staff down the road necessary to ensure our enterprise customers start on the Five9 platform is positive and differentiated.

In addition, we're diverting consumer PS resources to help ramp our channel partners. We expect adjusted gross margins to be approximately flat sequentially in the third quarter and to increase modestly in the fourth quarter.

Looking further ahead, we continue to expect to close the remaining 5.2 percentage point gap to the midpoint of our intermediate term model of 65% to 70% adjusted gross margins via three main drivers. First, subscription margins continuing to increase as we continue to scale revenue on fixed and semi-fixed costs.

Second professional services margins improving and turning positive as investments we're making in this area pay off. Third, a gradual shift of 2 to 3 percentage points per year and the mix between the portion of recurring revenue which comes from subscriptions, and the portion which comes from usage.

As we've mentioned before this mix shift is being driven by two factors. First, we are seeing more add-on subscription products being purchased as we move into larger accounts. And second, a small percentage of new enterprise accounts decided to utilize their own carriers for usage.

Turning now to expenses, which I will again discuss in the order of remaining gap close to reach the intermediate-term 20% plus adjusted EBITDA model. Non-GAAP G&A expenses in the second quarter 2017 were $5.3 million or 11.1% of revenue, a decline of 80 basis points from the second quarter of 2016.

Non-GAAP G&A expenses as a percent of revenue have now declined year-over-year for 11 consecutive quarters. The remaining gap to the midpoint of our intermediate-term model were non-GAAP G&A is 4.1 percentage points. We plan to continue to close this remaining gap via operating leverage.

Non-GAAP R&D expenses in the second quarter 2017 were $5.8 million or 12.1% of revenue, a decline of 100 basis points from the second quarter of 2016. The remaining gap to the midpoint of our intermediate term model for non-GAAP R&D is now 2.1 percentage points.

We also plan to continue to close this remaining gap by operating leverage, although at a slower rate than G&A.

Non-GAAP sales and marketing expenses were $15.7 million or 32.8% of revenue higher than the 31% recorded in the second quarter of 2016, driven primarily by commissions related to our all-time enterprise bookings record in the second quarter 2017 and by the expenses associated with ramping a channel program.

Looking ahead for most quarters we plan to remain within our intermediate term target for non-GAAP sales and marketing expenses, which remains at 28% to 32%. We're extremely pleased with our seventh consecutive quarter of positive adjusted EBITDA.

We generated record adjusted EBITDA of $3 million in the second quarter of 2017 or 6.2% of revenue compared to an adjusted EBITDA of $2.3 million or 5.9% of revenue in the second quarter of 2016, despite the increased investments in professional services and stepped-up enterprise go-to-market expenses.

This marks our 12th consecutive quarter of year-over-year adjusted EBITDA dollar increases and the 15th consecutive quarter of year-over-year adjusted EBITDA margin expansions. Looking ahead, we maintain a high conviction, as we can steadily increase adjusted EBITDA margins into the 20s through continued revenue growth and strong execution.

Non-GAAP operating income was $812,000, our fifth consecutive positive quarter on this measure. The non-GAAP net loss was $74,000. Finally before turning to guidance, some balance sheet and cash flow highlights.

Capital spending in the second quarter of 2017 was $2 million, of which $1.4 million was financed by capital leases and the remaining $600,000 is paid for in cash. In the second quarter of 2017, we generated $84,000 in cash flow from operations, our sixth consecutive quarter of positive operating cash flow.

Note that the operating cash flow in the second quarter of 2017 was adversely impacted by the $1.7 million settlement payment recorded in the first quarter of 2017 regarding a successor liability from a 2013 acquisition.

In the second quarter of 2017, free cash outflow defined as operating cash flow, net capital spending paid for in cash, were $600,000 compared to an inflow of $1.9 million in the second quarter of 2016. DSOs for the second quarter 2017 were 28 days.

The DSO performance is an indication not just the payment terms and the enforcement but also the level of customer satisfaction. Looking ahead, DSOs will increase gradually as a mix shift to enterprise from commercial continues.

I'd like to finish today's prepared remarks with a brief discussion of our expectations for the third quarter and for the full-year 2017. With the third quarter of 2017, we expect revenue in the range of $47.5 million to $48.5 million. GAAP net loss is expected to be in the range of $4.3 million to $5 million or lots of $0.08 to $0.10 this share.

Non-GAAP net loss is expected to be in the range of $0.2 to $1.2 million or loss of $0.0 to $0.02 per share. For 2017, we expect revenue to be in the range of $193.5 million to $195.5 million versus prior guidance, of $190.6 million to $193.6 million.

GAAP net loss is expected to be in the range of $15.3 to $17.3 million versus prior guidance of $16.8 million to $19.8 million or a loss of $0.28 to $0.32 per share versus prior guidance of $0.31 to $0.37 per share.

Non-GAAP net income or loss is expected to be in the range of positive $1.8 million to negative $0.2 million versus prior guidance of positive $0.5 million to negative $2.5 million or positive $0.03 per share to $0.0 per share versus prior guidance of positive $0.01 per share to negative $0.05 per share.

For modeling purposes, we would like to provide the following additional information. For calculating EPS, we expect our shares to be $54.9 million for the third quarter as well as $54.7 million basic and $59 million diluted for the full-year of 2017.

We expect our taxes which relate mainly to foreign subsidiaries to be approximately $50,000 for the third quarter and $200,000 for the year. Our capital expenditures for the third quarter are expected to total approximately $3 million to $4 million. For the full-year, we expect capital expenditures to be between $10 million and $12 million.

In summary, we're very pleased with our second quarter performance. We will continue to be focused on driving solid revenue growth, while progressing towards our intermediate-term and long-term adjusted EBITDA target of 20% plus and 25% plus, respectively.

Our confidence in meeting these targets is based upon the persistence of the factors which has driven year-over-year improvements up until now, a massive underpenetrated market, the strong unit economics of our enterprise business, which is constantly increasing proportion of our total revenue, our high dollar-based retention rates, and the operating leverage on G&A and R&D.

Lastly, before we turn to the operator, I would like to announce our upcoming presentations at the following conferences. We will be presenting at the KeyBanc Global Technology Leadership Forum in Vale on August 8.

The 20th annual Oppenheimer Technology Internet and Communication Conference in Boston, on August 9, And the 37th Annual Canaccord Genuity Growth Conference in Boston on August 10. Additional detail on these events were made available by a recent press release. And now we'd like to open the call for questions. Operator, please go ahead..

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question will come from David Hynes with Canaccord Genuity..

David Hynes

Hey, thanks, guys. So Mike, you pretty regularly call out your win rate against your competitors. It's been strong and consistent. It's been almost a year. I guess, since in contact and interactive were acquired.

So, I guess, I’m curious, can you give us your view of kind of what the acquirers have done with those assets? I mean, does it feel like they’re getting their act together at all, I mean, their numbers will suggest that’s not the case, but we'd love to get your take on what’s happening?.

Michael Burkland Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Yes, good question, DJ. Our win rates do continue to go up against both of those cloud competitors, mergers are difficult and they’re in the midst of integrating and merging their organizations. And it's almost always a distraction, but I will tell you that there has been more disruption at one than there has at the other.

And, again -- but our win rates have actually gone up against both of them, which is again not surprising in my opinion based on what we expected to occur. I think if you look at one in particular where you had a merger of very direct competitors with multiple platforms.

There is a lot of internal conflict in terms of those multiple platforms, in terms of where they’re going to put their investments from an R&D perspective going forward and how they’re positioning those different solutions.

And I think on the other case, again we’ve seen some marketing, branding activity, but not much in the way of real product releases..

David Hynes

Yes, okay. And then on the partner side, where are we in the build out of that ecosystem? I know, I think you referenced Avaya's challenges and that’s driven some resellers towards you guys.

I mean, are you still looking -- is the focus now that to build and add partners or is it really now about kind of identifying the best in enabling those folks? I mean what’s your focus on -- how you think this evolves..

Michael Burkland Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Yes, as I mentioned in last call, last quarter we -- we’ve added a lot of Avaya VARs to our reseller channel. We continue to add additional resellers, but I think I said this last call as well. Our strategy is going to go deep as opposed to continue to just go broad.

So the goal here is to work very closely with those Avaya VARs that are leaning in and are having the most success in the market with us and that's definitely the case. I mean our pipeline is growing very, very nicely with the Avaya VAR channel.

As I said, we continue to add channel partners there but we're also going much, much deeper with the ones that we’ve signed over the last three quarters..

David Hynes

Yes. Okay, it makes sense. Great. Good set of numbers to sell the [indiscernible] line..

Operator

At this time we will take a question from Sterling Auty with JPMorgan..

Sterling Auty

Yes, thanks. Hi, guys.

So given where the competitive dynamics I’ve gotten to, despite -- I kind of curious what are you seeing in the market in terms of the pricing dynamics and the deal that that you’re winning?.

Michael Burkland Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Yes, Sterling, it's interesting. We do see some of our competitors that aren't having quite the success we are, get aggressive on price. The good news is most enterprises are not making a decision based on price. When it comes to contact center infrastructure this is mission-critical.

It's all about enhancing the customer experience for these enterprises and again you know a 10% price differential is not going to be the deciding factor, but we are seeing our competitors are very direct cloud competitors. Star 2, attempt to price a little more aggressively..

Sterling Auty

Got it. And one follow-up in terms of talk about -- going deep with the Avaya Partners.

What kind of activity levels are you seeing through those partners at this point? Are they sourcing leads and getting deals closed or is it still on the -- in the on boarding process?.

Michael Burkland Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Yes, we are definitely investing a lot to on board these Avaya VARs, Sterling. It involves everything from sales training to product training to implementation and support training as I mentioned in my remarks.

All that said, these guys are in the market they been in the market with the Avaya products that for a long time and they're definitely sourcing deals for us, our pipeline, as I mentioned is increasing and it's very, very sizable and as I also mentioned it.

The master agents and resellers made up more than 25% of our bookings -- our enterprise bookings in the quarter, and that's up from the last quarter and that was up from the prior quarter..

Sterling Auty

Great. Thank you..

Operator

We will now hear from Raimo Lenschow with Barclays Capital..

Mohit Gogia

This is Mohit Gogia on for Raimo. Congratulations on the quarter, guys. I’m wondering if you can -- so you’ve talked about the operating leverage and the R&D, and how that can help you reach your targets in terms of margins.

So can you discuss that against the backdrop of the product roadmap you have for the next few years and how you think about the trade-off and delivering on both funds? Thank you..

Michael Burkland Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Yes, I will start and Barry chime in with any color you want to add Barry. But strategically we are in a very good position in terms of the delivery that’s coming out of our R&D organization. And it's not about just adding bodies, and expense to that R&D machine.

It's about making sure the talent we have in our engineering organization is delivering new product, innovative product, rock solid product on a great cadence. So they’re doing that. And this is at last summer releases, great evidence for that. We definitely see an opportunity to grow our R&D investment over -- in the future. But not as fast as revenue.

Therefore providing some leverage.

Barry anything to add?.

Barry Zwarenstein

No, that cover them, Mike. I mean, we’ve had excellent leverage up until now. We remain public. R&D was 20% of revenue, down to 12% steady progression, but we have ample resources to continue the cadence of product delivery that we just being enjoy..

Mohit Gogia

Okay. And the second question I had was -- so you have been talking about 10% growth in your SMB business over the last few quarters.

And I’m just wondering is that -- so if you think about that business long-term and the [indiscernible] and price mix, is there a sense of the growth rate in that segment that you have or -- do you think that there is some, tweaking that still can be done in terms of investments or more investments or scaling back investments versus the growth rate? Thank you..

Mohit Gogia

Yes, very good question. So, again, commercial is now 29% of our LTM revenue. We seen about a 4% shift in favor of enterprise in a way from commercial, in terms of our revenue mix. As we stated growth is around 10%, and we think that’s a pretty good number.

But at the same time it is going to become less and less significant to the overall mix over time..

Mohit Gogia

Thank you, guys. .

Operator

We will now hear from Meta Marshall with Morgan Stanley..

Meta Marshall

Great. Thanks guys. Quick question, I know you guys have talked about scaling over professional services organization, but it clearly invested a lot in it over the last year.

Just wonder they get a sense of, are we getting into the point where professional services, kind of growth will be more in line with revenue growth, or is there still future scaling there.

And then the second question is just, if we could get kind of an update on now that a significant portion of the revenue is enterprise, are you seeing sales cycle shorten or where are kind of seen a typical enterprise deal cycle. Thanks..

Michael Burkland Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Yes, Sure, Meta. So from a -- let me take last one first from an enterprise sales cycle perspective, we continue to do deals that are much larger than we were doing. So it three years ago, and our sales cycles on our IPO were around a 120 days plus or minus and now we are kind of in the 150 days plus or minus.

So again the larger the deal, longer the sales cycle. But again we are still I think we are not looking at protracted elephant hunting type of enterprise deals which is great..

Barry Zwarenstein

And I would say for the other question around PS, expense growth relative to PS revenue growth. We do see the PS margins as a good lever in the long run at the gross margin line in total. But again we are going to have, I think quarters were we might invest more.

And other quarters where we seem to get that leverage, but we expect to get leverage over the coming quarters from a PS perspective..

Michael Burkland Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

And if I could just add a few things to that. We are going to be looking on both [indiscernible]. In terms of the revenue, we have demonstrated success in terms of increasing the rate per hour, charging for more hours, increasing a proportion of ACV that comes from PS, from the implementation, pushing on a open door to some extent.

To that in the upcoming quarters, many quarters, we will also have additional revenue from training and optimization. Things that we are particularly well positioned to deliver, which our customers very much appreciate and even demand. On the cost side, it's a matter of continuing the excellent leadership that we have in that area.

These things don’t come overnight. It's a matter of a number of single and a number of home runs and those just have to take the time to look through. One last comment, this business can be lumpy.

If you look at our Q2 of last year, with which comparing year-over-year, we had a 69% year-over-year increase in revenue, making it a particularly tough compare this year. So -- but normally we will be expecting an upward trend in terms of growth rate of revenue which was smaller this year for PS..

Meta Marshall

Great. Thank you..

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We will now move to Mike Latimore with Northland Capital Markets..

Michael Latimore

Thank you. Great quarter there.

On the -- just sort of the -- you touched on sales, what about deployment timelines on average? And then maybe for similar size deals of your deployment timeline, stabilize -- have been stable or shrunk with similar size deals?.

Michael Burkland Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Yes, Mike, I'd say that our deployment cycles remain about the same over the last 12 to 18 months. They’re a little bit longer than what they were at the IPO very much like the sales cycle. But again, we’ve moved up market and we’re doing larger deals and again those deployment cycles are going to be a little bit longer.

But we are still talking about maybe a 30 day difference in terms of deployment cycle compared to where we were at the IPO..

Michael Latimore

Yes.

And then, it sounds like deal size is continuing to increase, I guess, that is recurring?.

Michael Burkland Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

You know, Mike, we do talk about deal size at the end of every year and we look forward to giving you guys the update at the end of the year..

Michael Latimore

Okay. Got it. And then, you mentioned that up-sell where the customer is buying now with omni-channel one or two the broader analytics around this kind of customer journey notion.

With regard to that sort of analytics customer journey context are you seeing kind of sort of significant increase in demand for that feature?.

Michael Burkland Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Absolutely, Mike. It's -- as you know a completely different world out there in terms of the digital and mobile consumer. And our enterprise customers are really strategically focused on delivering a comprehensive omnichannel service offering.

And again they've got -- our enterprise customers have to be able to interact with their clients, their customers, whatever channel that customer wants to interact on.

Again, whether it's chat, whether its email, whether it's social media, whether its messaging, whether it's web self-service, we have to be able to handle all those transactions, and we are and we are helping our enterprise customers really make that digital transformation. And it's pretty powerful stuff..

Michael Latimore

Okay. Thanks..

Operator

At this time, we will take a question from Nikolay Beliov with Bank of America..

Nikolay Beliov

Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. You guys talked about favorable market environment in terms of the M&A that has happened and also the struggle that Avaya is going through. And LTM enterprise revenues here are pretty strong, they’ve come down to 39% from 43%.

In light of that, what’s happening in the marketplace? Why aren't you guys seeing acceleration in your enterprise business?.

Michael Burkland Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Yes, good question, Nikolay. I think the most important element of this is we talk about bookings. And I know we're not quantifying bookings, but we have set record bookings all-time record for bookings and the way we look at the favorable market conditions are really how that translates into bookings. And it is -- it is very much as expected.

Our win rates are going up, our bookings are reaching records, just about every quarter over the past several quarters. And if you look at that 43% in enterprise subscription, LTM revenue a few quarters ago, we did have -- again we turned up three very, very large -- very large enterprise customers in Q3 of '16.

And that drove that 43% number on an LTM basis. If you look at the long haul here, the long-term, from a modeling perspective here, we’ve said this for a long time. We are going to continue to grow our enterprise sales capacity, our quota-bearing sales capacity at 30% to 40% year-over-year.

That ought to drive bookings growth in and around that same 30% to 40% range, assuming consistent sales productivity per rep, and that's what you should expect to see from enterprise subscription revenue growth in the long run. So that 43% was a bit of an aberration to some extent, because we've been investing in 30% to 40% growth in sales capacity.

We just turned up a few very large enterprises all at the same time..

Nikolay Beliov

Got it. And my second question was around the 2017 summer release.

It sounds like the major enhancement there, I guess, the first question here is does the summer release significantly expand your total addressable market that you talked about with global enterprises? And number two, do you need something -- do you need to do something incremental different to address those -- this incremental market?.

Michael Burkland Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Yes, very good question, Nikolay, because as you did know, one of the big themes in this summer releases are global offering and this really is -- centered around the voice PoPs that we're now scattered around the world and we will continue to add as we go into new countries. And it's a huge, huge advantage and it does expand our addressable market.

As you know, most -- very, very large majority of our revenue today comes from North American clients, and this allows us to go international at a faster pace not only with our U.S based multinational clients, which are very important to us and this offering is really meant to help them, but also as we go into local markets doing business with local enterprises in those markets, that will also help that.

So, yes, it expands our addressable market. And the question -- second question about there is something else incremental that we have to continue to add, I will just say this, we have -- we believe the most complete end-to-end solution today in our space for both North American-based enterprises as well as the international clients.

But at the same time we are going to continue to invest aggressively in R&D and extend our lead..

Nikolay Beliov

Thank you..

Michael Burkland Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Thank you..

Operator

We will now move to Jeff Rhee with Craig-Hallum..

Jeffrey Rhee

Great. Thanks. Just two quick one for me. If you could just circle back a second to the sales capacity, I know you’ve targeted the 30% to 40%, from time to time you’ve commented if you’re running a little hot or cool relative to that range.

Just thoughts on the hiring success thus far and any updates on the year? And then secondly, if you could just expand a bit on usage growth both enterprise and SMB, any notable trends that varied of from what you’ve seen over the last 6, 12 months whether it be usage as well as gross margin on that usage?.

Michael Burkland Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Yes, happy to do that, Jeff. So on the sales capacity as I said, we continue to expand that quota-bearing sales capacity for enterprise at 30% to 40%. We have had a lot of success this year.

And part of the disruption that we see at a couple of competitors [ph] that have been acquired is, there are resumes on the street there continue to be a good flow of resumes from those companies, and we've been very selective in picking off kind of the cream of the crop.

So, again, we've had very, very good success in hiring from the industry this year. But we've been doing that for years and years because this is a pretty mature industry with other players that we can also recruit from.

In terms of usage growth, Barry, you want to take that one?.

Barry Zwarenstein

Yes, sure. So first of all on usage growth, Jeff, the business as we’ve said quite often is growing meaningfully slower than the subscription business. We quantify that by saying that there is a mix shift of 2 to 3 percentage points per year away from usage to subscription and you can easily do the math to see what the numbers are approximately.

In terms of the gross margins, they remain very firm. We've got an absolutely crack team on doing this, and we provide a very valuable service to our subscribers in terms of things like redundancies and voice quality and so on. So that is a bright spot..

Jeffrey Rhee

Okay. Thank you..

Michael Burkland Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Thanks, Jeff..

Operator

And at this time, we have no further questions in the queue. I will turn it back over to management for any additional or closing remarks..

Michael Burkland Chief Executive Officer & Chairman

Well, thank you. I just want to thank everyone for joining us on the call today. I'm just thrilled with the continuing momentum in our enterprise business. This latest release that we've been talking about is a great differentiator for us and puts us even further ahead in this market.

As you guys know we are going after a massive market opportunity, so we're very well positioned to continue to gain share in this market. Thanks again for joining us today..

Operator

And again that does conclude today's conference call. Thank you all for your participation..

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