Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to the Fidus Fourth Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to Ms. Burfening. Thank you. Please go ahead, ma’am..

Thank you, Felicia and good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us for Fidus Investment Corporation’s fourth quarter 2020 earnings conference call. With me this morning are Ed Ross, Fidus Investment Corporation’s Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Shelby Sherard, Chief Financial Officer.

Fidus Investment Corporation issued a press release yesterday afternoon with the details of the company’s quarterly financial results. A copy of the press release is available on the Investor Relations page of the company’s website at fdus.com.

I would also like to call your attention to the customary Safe Harbor disclosure regarding forward-looking information included on today’s call.

Conference call today will contain forward-looking statements, including statements regarding the goals, strategies, beliefs, future potential, operating results and cash flows of Fidus Investment Corporation.

Although management believes these statements are reasonable based on estimates, assumptions and projections as of today, February 26, 2021, these statements are not guarantees of future performance. Time-sensitive information may no longer be accurate at the time of any telephonic or webcast replay.

Actual results may differ materially as a result of risks, uncertainties and other factors including, but not limited to, the factors set forth in the company’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Fidus undertakes no obligation to update or revise any of these forward-looking statements.

With that, I would now like to turn the call over to Ed. Good morning, Ed..

second lien debt, 44.7%; subordinated debt, 14.5%; and equity investments, 15.6%. Our portfolio remains well-structured to remain healthy during difficult times. In addition, our equity investments continue to give us the opportunity to enhance returns over the long-term.

Turning to our results for the fourth quarter, we reported adjusted net investment income, which we defined as net investment income, excluding any capital gain, incentive fee attributable to realized and unrealized gains and losses of $10.7 million or $0.44 per share compared to $8.3 million or $0.34 per share for the same period last year completing a year of sequential gains in adjusted NII.

On December 18, 2020, Fidus paid a regular quarterly dividend of $0.30 per share and a supplemental dividend of $0.04 per share to stockholders of record as of December 4. As you may recall, last April, our Board of Directors reduced the quarterly dividend from $0.39 per share to $0.30 per share.

We made this very difficult decision to reflect the unprecedented uncertainties we were all facing at that time and the challenges some of our portfolio companies were continuing with due to the pandemic.

As a result of the steady improvement in the overall health of the portfolio since then, the Board has increased the base quarterly dividend by $0.01 to $0.31 per share and implemented a supplemental quarterly dividend for 2021 equal to 50% of the surplus in adjusted NII over the base dividend for the prior quarter.

This formula results in a surplus of $0.14 per share from Q4, generating a first quarter supplemental dividend of $0.07 per share. On February 9, 2021, the Board of Directors therefore declared a base quarterly dividend of $0.31 per share and a supplemental quarterly dividend of $0.07 per share.

The base quarterly dividend and the supplemental cash dividend will be payable on March 26, 2021 to stockholders of record as of March 12.

Turning to originations and repayments, I mentioned on the third quarter call that M&A activity in the lower middle-market was very high, particularly for companies that were not meaningfully impacted by the pandemic. As a result and as anticipated, we had an extremely busy quarter in terms of investment activity.

In terms of originations, we invested $103.9 million in debt and equity securities during the quarter. Of the $103.9 million, $58.5 million or 56% was in first lien debt investments and we invested in 7 new portfolio companies.

These were $9.1 million in first lien debt, common equity and preferred equity in Applied Data Corporation, a leading provider of fresh item management technology for grocery and convenience stores; $11 million in first lien debt and common equity in Comply365, LLC, a leading provider of SaaS enterprise content and compliance management solutions for the aviation and rail markets; $21.5 million in first lien debt and common equity in Dataguise, Inc, a provider of automated data discovery, classification, protection and continuous monitoring software; $8.2 million in first lien and revolving debt in Elements Brands, LLC, an e-commerce platform dedicated to developing consumer products brands; $9.3 million in first lien debt and common equity in Hallmark Health Care Solutions, Inc., a software-as-a-service company, offering physician compensation and workforce management solutions for health systems, academic medical centers and physician groups; $6.8 million in first lien debt and preferred equity in Healthfuse, LLC, a leading provider of revenue cycle vendor management solutions to hospitals and health systems; and $13.5 million in second lien debt and common equity in Pool & Electrical Products, LLC, a leading regional distributor of pool equipment and supplies.

These investments in new portfolio companies share the defensive characteristics critical to the success of our strategy, resilient business models with recurring and reoccurring revenue streams and strong cash flow generation to service debt and positive outlooks for growth over the long-term.

They also operate in industries we know well, in these cases in software or tech-enabled services, business services and healthcare services. In addition to investing in new portfolio companies, we refinanced our $20 million second lien debt investment in Wheel Pros during Q4.

In terms of repayments and realizations, we received proceeds of $100.7 million. In terms of exits, we exited our debt and equity investments in Pugh Lubricants, LLC, receiving payment in full of $26.6 million, including a prepayment penalty on our second lien debt investment and realized a gain of approximately $0.5 million on our equity investment.

We exited our equity investment in Hoonui, LLC and realized a gain of approximately $0.2 million. We received payment in full of $4.3 million on our first lien debt in Global Plasma Solutions, Inc. We exited our debt and equity investments in ControlScan, Inc.

We received payment in full of $6.8 million on our subordinated debt investment and realized a gain of approximately $0.7 million on our equity investments. We exited our debt and equity investments in BCC Group Holdings, Inc.

We received payment in full of $18.5 million, including a prepayment penalty on our subordinated debt investment and realized a nominal gain on our equity investment. And as I mentioned, we refinanced our $20 million second lien debt investment in Wheel Pros, Inc.

Subsequent to year end, we closed $42 million of investments, including investments in three new portfolio companies, primarily in first lien debt and equity and received proceeds of $60.6 million in repayments and realizations. Before I close with comments about the market, I wanted to highlight the exit of our debt and equity investments in FDS.

FDS was acquired and combined with Calculex Inc. and Argon Corporation under a new holding company, Spectra A&D Holdings. FDS is an avionics company that we control for the past several years and this exit an effective reinvestment of the proceeds into a now much larger and better positioned company was well-executed by our team.

Importantly, the new company is now very well-positioned for the future. As a result of the transaction, we now have a first lien debt investment in a meaningful minority equity investment alongside a private equity group that focuses on the aerospace and defense space. This was a nice transaction for FDUS and all stakeholders involved.

After the flurry of deal activity in the fourth quarter, M&A in the lower middle-market has moderated a bit in the first quarter. Nonetheless, we have had some deal flow held over from 2020 and we believe we will have a decent level of investments in the first quarter.

Repayments on the other hand will likely be slightly higher than the fourth quarter.

While we are not discounting the uncertainties that are still with us around the strength and pace of the economic recovery, we have demonstrated success in redeploying proceeds into portfolio companies that provide us with a high level of current and recurring investment income and equity upside.

Our steadfast commitment to our underwriting disciplines, improving investment strategy will continue to serve us well as will our conservative approach to managing the business for the long-term, focused on generating attractive risk-adjusted returns and preserving capital in the interest of our shareholders.

I will now turn the call over to Shelby for finance..

Thank you, Ed and good morning everyone. I will review our fourth quarter results in more detail and close with comments on our liquidity position. Please note I will be providing comparative commentary versus the prior quarter Q3 2020.

Total investment income was $23.6 million for the 3 months ended December 31, 2020, a $2.6 million increase from Q3 primarily due to a $1.6 million increase in fee income from new investments, amendments and prepayments; a $1.4 million increase in dividends offset by a $0.4 million net decrease in interest income primarily related to timing of repayments versus new investments in Q4.

Total expenses, including tax provision, were $17.6 million for the fourth quarter, approximately $3.4 million higher than the prior quarter, primarily due to an increase in the capital gains incentive fee accrual of $1.9 million related to meaningful appreciation and the fair value of the portfolio; a $0.7 million excise tax accrued in Q4 related to the estimated spillover income of approximately $22 million or $0.90 per share; $0.3 million increase in professional fees related to audit and tax expenses, and a $0.2 million increase in the income incentive fee.

As of December 31, the weighted average interest rate on our outstanding debt was 4.7%. As of December 31, we had $454.3 million of debt outstanding comprised of $147 million of SBA debentures and $307.3 million of unsecured notes. Our debt to equity ratio was 1.1x or 0.75x statutory leverage, excluding exempt SBA debentures.

In late December, we successfully issued $125 million of unsecured notes at a 4.75% interest rate.

The net proceeds were used to pay down the outstanding balance on the line of credit of $23 million at closing and to fully redeem our 5.875% $50 million public notes in January and to partially redeem $50 million of the total $69 million 6% notes in February.

Given the notice requirements, the bond redemptions occurred subsequent to year end, so we ended the year with artificially higher leverage.

In conjunction with the bond redemptions, we will realize a one-time loss on extinguishment of debt in Q1 2021 of approximately $1.9 million related to the unamortized deferred financing cost on the redeemed bonds. Taking into account the bond redemptions on our GAAP debt-to-equity ratio is now currently approximately 0.86x.

Net investment income, or NII for the 3 months ended December 31, 2020, was $0.25 per share versus $0.28 per share in Q3. Adjusted NII, which excludes any capital gains incentive fee accruals or reversals attributable to realized and unrealized gains and losses on investments, was $0.44 per share in Q4 versus $0.40 per share in Q3.

For the 3 months ended December 31, 2020, Fidus had approximately $33.9 million of net realized losses related to $36.1 million of realized losses on Accent Food Services, offset by $2.3 million of realized gains on the exits of several of our equity investments, primarily including ControlScan $0.7 million gain, Pugh Lubricants $0.5 million gain, and Hoonuit $0.2 million gain.

Turning now to portfolio statistics, as of December 31, our total investment portfolio had a fair value of $742.9 million. Our average portfolio company investment on a cost basis was $10.4 million at the end of the fourth quarter, which excludes investments in three portfolio companies that sold their operations, are in the process of winding down.

We have equity investments in approximately 88.4% of our portfolio companies with a weighted average fully diluted equity ownership of 5.8%. Weighted average effective yield on debt investments was 12.2% as of December 31.

The weighted average yield is computed using the effective interest rates for debt investments at cost, including accretion of original issue discount and loan origination fees, but excluding investments on non-accrual, if any. Now, I would like to briefly discuss our available liquidity.

As of December 31, our liquidity and capital resources included cash of $124.3 million, $100 million of availability on our line of credit, resulting in total liquidity of approximately $224.3 million.

Taking into account subsequent events, including the bond redemptions, we currently have approximately $143.1 million of liquidity and access to $161.5 million of additional SBA debentures under our third SBIC license, subject to SBA regulatory requirements and approval. Now, I will turn the call back to Ed for concluding comments.

Ed?.

Thanks, Shelby. As always, I would like to thank our team and the Board of Directors at Fidus for their dedication and hard work and our shareholders for their continued support. I will now turn the call over to Felicia for Q&A.

Felicia?.

[Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from the line of Chris Kotowski of Oppenheimer..

Yes, good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Well, first of all, I guess I kind of wanted to – I think your new dividend policy is kind of ingenious.

I guess I have always kind of thought the – having a $0.38 every single quarter or whatever the number is kind of artificial in that if the world doesn’t hand you the exact same opportunities every single quarter over a long period of time.

And so I am wondering, are you thinking of making that move kind of permanent? And I am kind of curious how that will then kind of interact with the buildup in spillover? I mean, it’s just – presumably your spillover income would grow a lot faster under this kind of thing rather than having a fixed dividend that targets what you expect to earn over time?.

Sure, sure. Appreciate your comments and your question, Chris. Let me give you just kind of a perspective on our thinking. And I think as all of us would agree, there is still a fair bit of uncertainty in the world today. And so from our perspective being aggressive with dividend policy just doesn’t seem like the right thing to do.

We are thrilled with our performance in our overall outlook. We are also thrilled to be making a meaningfully – supplemental distribution this quarter, which is a direct correlation to our performance.

As we mentioned in our prepared remarks, we feel this approach is a good solution for at least 2021 and provide significant upside to the base dividend as we had in the last two quarters, while also providing what I would say is a durable and flexible distribution model in these uncertain times.

So overall, we do like this approach, especially this year in an environment like this. And so said another way, we think operating with a reasonable level of caution, makes a lot of sense at the moment. And to your specific question, will this be a permanent move? It could be.

I think the base dividend is something we will always look at, but the approach is a good one. And I wouldn’t say we are the first to do this. But I do think it’s a good one, especially in this environment and we will consider kind of on a permanent basis as well as we move forward, but this is a 2021 move at this point in time.

Regarding spillover and it falls in line with the – we are still operating in an environment that is highly – has some uncertainty at an elevated level of uncertainty. And so we are – we like the idea of having a high spillover position like we do for rainy day reasons.

And so at the moment, we are going to kind of keep spillover in the range that it is assuming it stays there and I think it will. So that’s – we didn’t factor into the dividend equation really, because we like having this cushion at the moment. Hopefully, that answers your question..

Yes. That’s helpful. Thank you. And then secondly, I was wondering the – it looks like your first lien debt positions are now roughly 30% of the portfolio and as recently as 2 years ago, I think they were less than 10.

And again, can you talk a bit about what’s driving that change? Is it – does it impact kind of the mix of business and yields and how much further does that go?.

Sure, sure. It’s a great question. We have talked about it a little bit on previous calls. But I’d say several years ago, we started good 24 months ago, maybe 24 to 30 months ago, we started to focus more on first lien investments, in particular, on what I would call more lower middle-market, smaller EBITDA businesses.

We felt like that was the right approach, where we could control the balance sheet a little bit more if things move around. And obviously, we are also doing a fair bit of tech-enabled and software lending today and that’s an approach that we are using with regard to that end market as well at least on the smaller EBITDA businesses, if you will.

So, it’s a conscious approach pre-COVID. I will tell you, post-COVID, when COVID showed up, we also made a very deliberate decision to say that junior capital investments here in the at least near-term are going to be very few and far between and only kind of meet just superlative opportunities.

And so it just seemed like the right thing to do cosmetically as well as just structurally. So, we can really control those assets a little bit more. So, it’s a conscious decision that we have made pre-COVID. It’s continuing in this COVID environment. And quite frankly, we are finding a lot of success with our clients in providing first lien solutions.

Now some of these solutions are first out last out, where we will bring in a bank to lower the rates and obviously give us a little bit higher yield, but these are transactions where we are originating the debt investment and we are deciding whether we want to do that, which is provide a first out last out solution or we are just providing a first lien solution, and we are the only lender.

So – but it’s – we have been doing it for a while and I would expect that trend to continue to some degree, for sure..

And are you still getting warrants to roughly the same degree that you did historically?.

No, I mean I think, warrants, we were getting quite a few warrants, yes, I would say 7 years ago, 9 years ago, 10 years ago, I think in the – where we are focused with private equity groups and that’s a large majority of what we are doing today. Getting warrants is going to be a pretty hairy situation, which we haven’t been doing much of.

So, it’s more direct equity investments alongside the private equity groups and then providing the debt solution as well. And that’s been the approach for over the recent years, if you will..

Okay. Alright, Ed, thank you. That’s it for me..

Thank you. Good talking to you, Chris..

Your next question comes from the line of Matt Tjaden with Raymond James..

Hey, everyone. Morning and thanks for taking my questions.

Ed, maybe first one for you, any commentary you can give from the pipeline you are seeing kind of where spreads and terms are sitting right now versus pre-COVID levels?.

Sure. It’s a great question, Matt. What I would say is the vintage, if you will, currently, but Q4 and Q1 is very similar in nature. We are continuing to see yields be at reasonable levels, I would say at least at pre-COVID, but probably a little bit better.

Given what I just talked about, I think the structures, most of its first lien debt for us, by definition, is probably a little bit better from our perspective.

And then also the underlying assets that we are investing in, so in this market, what we’re seeing is a lot of interest in recurring revenue models, reoccurring revenue models, businesses that haven’t been impacted greatly by COVID. And obviously, those underlying types of assets are things we have a high degree of interest in, and we like very much.

So when I think about the vintage, if you will, that we’re investing in today, and we were in Q4, we think it’s very attractive is how I would talk about it..

Okay. And then….

And deal flow has moderated here in Q1. I think some of that seasonality. I think there was a huge push and surge in Q4. But we are continuing to see pretty good opportunity in the lower middle market, but probably not at the same robust level we did in Q4..

Great. Maybe as a follow-up to that, just on the commentary pipeline sounds like it’s a lot of COVID kind of resistant names, names that performed well in 2020.

Are sponsors right now willing to invest in those more COVID affected names? Or is the play kind of to wait it out and see what happens?.

I think there is – I think they’ll do both. I think a large, large majority of what we’re seeing and what people are gravitating towards is non – businesses that have not been impacted materially by COVID.

Having said that, there are others that are willing to look at business and say, look, we’re getting closer to out of the woods here with regard to COVID. And yes, this company was impacted, but I can look at that adjustment and say that’s real. No, it’s not nearly as much of that going on, but there is some of that, for sure..

Great. That’s it for me. Appreciate the time this morning..

Thank you. Good job, Matt..

Your next question comes from the line of Ryan Lynch with KBW..

Hey, good morning and thanks for taking my questions. First one, just kind of following-up from the investment philosophy standpoint, obviously, in the past several years, you’ve talked about late cycle investing as we were 10 years removed from the last downturn. And now it seems that we are coming out of a severe economic – there is ways to go.

But if the economic recovery continues as it’s planned and in 2021, do you see yourself changing your investment philosophy of the way you guys approach the market at all, whether that’s specific industries you guys are focusing on? Or where are you focusing – where you guys are in the capital structure at all?.

Sure. Great question. Generally speaking, I’d say no. Again, we’ve been approaching the market now for several years or 2 years plus. We always have been a solution provider. We always did senior debt. I would tell you there is an increased emphasis on that and also receptivity from clients. So that has gone very well from my perspective.

And so from a philosophy, we are a solution provider. We still are looking at very high quality, second lien investments and subordinated debt investments, but they are typically bigger companies and companies that we believe have great staying power and resilience and cash flows for that matter. So those are – that’s the approach.

It’s been that way for a while. Towards the – I think we really stayed away from investing in cyclicals over the last several years. We knew we were late cycle. We also started gravitating towards more first lien investments for that matter. And so I think the thought process, I think, will continue as it has recently.

I think we – again, a solution provider, but it will be a majority of senior debt type solutions with opportunistic, very high-quality junior debt investments. So I don’t see a change from where we are today, quite frankly..

No, I understand. That’s fair. So you guys very well. You guys had some really nice gains this quarter and a few equity investments.

I was wondering if you could give us a couple of lines just on what drove the meaningful gains in energy, Pfanstiehl and our Global Plasma Solutions?.

a, they are performing very well, beating budget; number two, they also – the outlook has improved greatly. And if you look at the multiples in that business, they are much, much higher. So there is a combination there, but it’s mostly performance.

When I think about Pfanstiehl, that’s performance driven Global Plasma, that’s performance, so we do this on every investment, right? We look at – and do we need to calibrate or not, but those three – and I don’t know if you mentioned any others, but we’re, as I just mentioned..

Okay. That’s helpful. And then one last one in for Shelby, I saw fee income was highest core that was obviously due to the strong activity that you guys had from the repayment side. But dividend income was also very high.

I’m just wondering, was that most – I know you guys get a little bit somewhat of that – a little bit of that was recurring from a quarterly standpoint.

But the $1.8 million this quarter was that all mostly one-time or do you expect – what is kind of your outlook for dividend income in Q1?.

So I would characterize those as onetime. We had two very large dividends from two separate companies, one of which may be annually, but certainly not in Q1, and then another just onetime big dividend that happened in Q4 that if something were to happen again, I’d characterize that as more sporadic.

So I would definitely say Q4 was outsized in terms of run rate dividends that will not be continuing..

Yes, okay..

The one thing I would add to that, I agree with Shelby’s comments completely, but there – these companies are performing very well and are positioned to do incremental dividends if they chase to. It’s not in our – it’s a fair decision, not our decision.

But – so there is the opportunity for more dividend distributions, but our comments very exactly on. It’s they are more sporadic in nature and onetime as opposed to reoccurring..

Okay. And then just one quick last one, the $1.9 million realized loss extinguish on net debt.

Just to be clear, that is it you run through the realized loss line item in Q1, not the interest in financing line item, correct?.

That is correct..

Okay, great. Well, we’ll add Shelby. Really nice quarter and the fourth quarter and probably, more importantly, really nice 2020 to keep map basically stable throughout the year, given the economic environment and pandemic is really a great accomplishment, so well done on that. And I appreciate the time today..

Thanks, Ryan. Appreciate it and good to talking to you..

And your next question comes from the line of Mickey Schleien of Ladenburg..

Yes. Good morning, Ed and Shelby. I want to join Ryan and congratulating you on very good results in a very, very difficult time for everyone. Ed, Fidus experienced high portfolio turnover during the quarter. And you managed to offset high repayments with new originations, which is definitely not the case at all the BDCs that I cover.

So I thought it would be a good time for you to update us on your team’s origination strategy.

And what proportion of your deal flow is currently sponsored? And also, what share are you the lead non-bank lender?.

Sure. Great question, Mickey. I think we have spent a lot of time over the last, I’d say, 5 years, we have always been a direct origination shop, but I think we spent a lot of time trying to get better at it and spending more time as a firm. We’ve also built what I would say, a very deep team. I mean, we have over 30 people here at Fidus.

So for a fund of our size, we’ve got a deep team and a lot of resources that can go out and directly originate and look at businesses and work with private equity groups and others.

We focus on four channels, but a large majority of what we do our sponsor driven transactions, and that represents, if you think about our portfolio today, it’s, I think, from a sponsor or sponsor, it’s about 94% of the portfolio. So that has been the focus.

And we obviously also gravitate towards sponsors and, quite frankly, opportunities that reside in industry end markets where we have expertise and experience. So that’s how we go about it. But I think that answers your question.

If there is – and I guess the only other part for Q4, we started working very hard on originations and trying to generate deal flow in Q3 when we started to see the market open up, started to have repayments and we like, okay, it’s time to get back to work. We had really shut things down. We didn’t know where it was going to go.

And so we were – we spent the second half of the year working hard on originations. And what you’re seeing is there was pent-up demand across the market. And obviously, that hit us on both sides. We had a fair number of repayments and realizations, and then we also generated the opportunity to invest in 7 new portfolio companies.

So hopefully, that’s helpful..

That is helpful. And I appreciate that explanation.

Ed, I don’t want to put salt in the wound, but I’m just curious, could you review the outcome for Accent Food and in terms of the very low recovery? And do you think that’s more an idiosyncratic event related to COVID or was there something in that process of underwriting that shed some light that you’d like to include in your future underwriting strategy?.

Sure. It’s a great question, Mickey. And the obviously has some salt in that wound to say the least. The – what I would say, look, Accent was on non-accrual prior to COVID-19. Having said that, it had a positive outlook and had real market presence. I mean revenues were growing.

It just – it needed to clean up its act, which is actually now done, and COVID created the opportunity for the company to do that and get their cost structure in line and whatnot.

But – so what happened was as the shelter-in-place orders and in particular, the work-from-home orders greatly impacted the business, right, the most of any company in our portfolio, no question. So our one non-accrual got hit the hardest. Secondly, I’ll say the senior debt providers and, quite frankly, equity group were not helpful to put it mildly.

And the senior group played loan to own ball and as opposed to work together, which most people do.

And so given the status of the company at the second half of the year, which were very different, quite frankly, than the projections we were getting throughout the COVID period, we chose not to double down and basically take a controlling stake in the company. We have that opportunity. And it would have required a very large equity investment.

And so it’s very unfortunate all around, but that’s how it played out. And the company has a solid medium-term outlook and a good management team. And so we supported the company with actually a small equity investment in the new restructured company. So that’s the situation. It’s very unfortunate.

But we didn’t have – other than owning the company and writing a very big equity check, we didn’t have the cards given the – given COVID. And that’s what happened..

Okay. I understand.

And is there anything in that process that is similar at EbLens or is that suffering from different issues?.

It’s the same issue, right? It’s COVID. I mean, EbLens as a retailer in the Northeast, it’s focused on sneakers and apparel and urban areas. And we’ve known this business for a long, long time. It’s a very good business. But it’s been impacted by the pandemic and the shelter-in-place orders and then the various things that come with that.

And then they have had, obviously, vendor challenges as well as many people have in shipping and other things. So it’s a junior debt investment, and we obviously put it on non-accrual in Q1. We took it off because of performance. And now it’s back on PIK non-accrual. And what I’d say is the valuation reflects the risk profile of the business.

And having said that, they are continuing to weather the storm in an impressive way, but the situation, it’s a tough environment and situation is that. It’s a tough environment. But they are doing the best they can and performing admirably at the moment. There is risk in the – so that’s where we are..

Okay, I understand. My last question is just to gauge your appetite on rotating out of Pfanstiehl. It’s – you’ve got an enormous unrealized gain there and potentially would – down the road, be interested in rotating into a new investment.

Is that something we can expect this year or how are you looking at it, in general?.

Sure. It’s a great question. As you know, we did rotate half of our investment and rotate out of it in Q1 of last year..

Yes..

I – Pfanstiehl is a manufacturer of high-purity sugars and active ingredients for injectable drugs and biologic drugs, mostly in the oncology arena, are focused on the oncology arena. They also do participate in the vaccine arena to a certain degree. I’d say the company is performing very well, and the outlook is also strong.

So the positives are outweighing any potential negatives of COVID-19 at this point in time. So valuation reflects the performance of the company. And I would say, look, we’re – we like the outlook of the business. So it’s not an easy question to answer. I think at some point, getting incremental liquidity makes some sense for Fidus.

So I get the purpose of the question. And so – but at the same time we are not in control of the company and that would require discussions with the company or sale of the business which neither of what are happening at this point, so – but it’s – at some point, we should get some liquidity, but I don’t think there is any rush.

And again, we like the outlook of the business..

I understand. That’s very helpful. Those are all my questions this morning. Again, congrats on very good results for 2020 and look forward to talking to you again soon. Thank you..

Thanks, Mickey. Good talking to you as well..

And your next question comes from the line of Sarkis Sherbetchyan of B. Riley Securities..

Hey, good morning, and thanks for taking my question here..

Good morning, Sarkis. .

So you mentioned in the prepared remarks, you have deal flow that’s held over from 2020 and you have a decent level of investment activity here in the first quarter.

Do you expect investment originations to outpace repayments if you hear in the first quarter?.

Actually, if I were a betting person sitting here at the end of February, I’d say no. I think repayments at the moment look like they are going to exceed originations, but that it’s too early to make that statement affirmatively, but that’s what it feels like to me..

And given kind of that activity, what you’re seeing to-date, maybe if you can describe your expectations on the cadence of deploying capital versus repayment as the year goes on do you expect to be able to grow the portfolio?.

Great question, Sarkis, especially in light of the fact that we had effectively a record repayment level for Fidus in Q4, and we may exceed that here in Q1, and probably will. Having said that, I think originations are still relatively solid and sound here in Q1.

And then what my expectations are – is the M&A environment will continue to be healthy, which will create opportunity for origination or more opportunity for originations. So I think that’s a positive.

And I do, as I sit here and look at our portfolio today, we’ll have incremental repayments in Q2, Q3 and Q4, but I don’t think they’ll be at the levels we’ve had in the last two quarters. I think that’s going to subside.

So the answer – to answer your question is I do think we will be able to grow the portfolio over the course of the year, timing of which, I don’t know, but that’s what I would expect at this point. I think there is the repayments have been kind of surge levels, and I don’t expect them to stay there..

Yes, no, thanks for that.

And I guess as you see kind of the prepays come on into the books, essentially from a fee income perspective, do you expect 2021 to probably be a richer year from kind of incremental fee perspective fee generation?.

That’s a really, really hard question to answer. What I would say and I want to get Shelby’s thoughts on this as well. Is that I would expect fees and assuming we don’t have more events here in that change the dynamics of the market. I would expect fees to be at least as good as what we had in 2020, is what I would say.

But Shelby, have you got any incremental thoughts to that?.

No, I think that’s right. And again, it’s just hard to predict because at the end of the day, it will depend largely on the level of investment activity. And to the extent we see some repayments that are still early enough in the life cycle of a loan that generate prepayment fees..

Thanks so much for that. I will hop back into the queue..

Okay. Thanks, Sarkis. Good to talking to you..

And I’ll turn the call back over to Mr. Ed Ross for closing remarks..

Thank you, Felicia, and thank you, everyone, for joining us this morning. We look forward to speaking with you on our first quarter call in early May. Have a great day, and have a great weekend..

And ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect..