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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2022 - Q3
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Operator

Good day. My name is Chantelle, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the FuelCell Energy Third Quarter Earnings Call. As a reminder, today’s conference call is being recorded. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise.

After the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Tom Gelston, Senior Vice President, Finance and Investor Relations, you may begin your conference..

Tom Gelston

statements with respect to our anticipated financial results, our plans and expectations regarding the continuing development, commercialization, and financing of our fuel cell technology and our business plans and strategies.

Our actual future results could differ materially from those described in or implied by such forward-looking statements because of a number of risks and uncertainties.

More information regarding such risks and uncertainties is available in the Safe Harbor statement, in the slide presentation and in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, particularly the Risk Factors section of our most recently filed annual report on Form 10-K and any subsequently filed quarterly reports on Form 10-Q.

During the course of this call, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures. And we refer you to our website and to our earnings press release and the appendix to the slide presentation for the reconciliation of those measures to GAAP financial measures.

Our earnings press release and a copy of today’s webcast presentation are available on our website at www.fuelcellenergy.com under the Investors hub. For our call today, I’m joined by Jason Few, FuelCell Energy’s President and Chief Executive Officer; and Mike Bishop, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

Following our prepared remarks, we will be available to take your questions and be joined by other members of the leadership team. I would now like to hand the call over to Jason for opening remarks.

Jason?.

Jason Few President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

service and license, advanced technologies and generation. All of which represent diversified sources or recurring revenue under multiyear contracts. In fiscal year 2021 and 2020, we had no revenue from product sales. However, product sales returned to our revenue mix with orders for 20 modules from Korea Fuel Cell in fiscal year 2022.

We have delivered via Ex Works 12 of those replacement models to service Korea Fuel Cell’s existing installations in South Korea. We have made it a priority to focus on generating new product sales in South Korea, in addition to other Asian markets, select countries in Europe, the Middle East, Africa and North America.

On slide 4, you will see our purpose statement. Across our company, we are committed to a shared repurpose of enabling a world and powered by clean energy. Looking to the future, every industry will be meaningfully impacted by the transition to net zero. And we believe our technology is well positioned to be part of the solution.

There is an ever increasing need for reliable power. And now the demand has shifted toward energy that is created in environmentally responsible manner. We believe FuelCell Energy is uniquely positioned to assist customers on a safe, secure and practical path to carbon zero.

We propose to do this by decarbonizing power, producing hydrogen and using hydrogen as a clean energy fuel and as an energy storage medium.

We believe we have the only technology that can capture CO2 while producing power and hydrogen, produce hydrogen, power and water from a single platform and produce hydrogen in multiple ways, for example, utilizing electricity and water via electrolysis or biogas using our trigen platform.

Importantly, FuelCell Energy’s technology provides local solutions for clean energy that reduce Scope 1 and 2 emissions and delivers real time benefits to the communities where our platforms operate.

We do this in a manner which supports high standards of living and economic growth, while protecting the environment, minimizing land use, when compared to wind and solar projects, avoiding costly transmission build-out and adapting to new resource challenges. This purpose drives our strategic focus and our passion for our work.

Next, I would like to turn the discussion to the results and business developments during the quarter summarized on slide 5. We continue to make progress advancing our strategic agenda, executing against our backlog, recognizing product revenue, and working toward commercialization of new technologies.

We delivered six modules via Ex Works to Korea Fuel Cell during the third quarter.

And we have completed manufacturing the remaining eight modules from the initial aggregate 20-module order placed by Korea Fuel Cell this fiscal year and expect to deliver those modules via Ex Works and recognize the resulting revenue in the fourth quarter of fiscal year 2022. We also delivered six modules in the first quarter of fiscal year 2022.

We continue to invest in scaling our commercial organization in Korea in support of building a pipeline of opportunities in the Korean and broader Asian markets.

Another key accomplishment for the quarter was beginning the initial conditioning phase of certain portions of the 2.3 megawatt trigeneration platform as civil construction work has significantly advanced for Toyota at the Port of Long Beach. This project is an example of FuelCell Energy’s ability to deliver distributed green hydrogen today.

We continue to anticipate that the remaining construction and commissioning activity will be completed in late calendar year 2022 or early calendar year 2023.

When the project achieves commercial operations, this energy platform will deliver carbon neutral electricity, green hydrogen and water, which is a significant benefit within the western region of the United States that is experiencing extreme droughts.

During the third quarter, we continued to invest in our internal R&D activities as we focus on commercialization of our patented solid oxide platform.

And across our operations, we are making progress in optimizing capacity for our carbonate platform with the goal of achieving 100 megawatts of annualized integrated onsite manufacturing and conditioning capacity. We provided an update on our progress on the U.S.

Navy project located in Groton, Connecticut, and are released in quarterly report on Form 10-Q filed this morning. Our plan is to achieve commercial operations by September 30th, although at a reduced output of approximately 6 megawatts, or 80% of the nameplate capacity for the first year of operation.

In our disclosure, we outlined that during the restart of commissioning we encountered performance anomalies at the plant, primarily in the mixer eductor oxidizer or MEO. The MEO is a sophisticated specialized component, specific to the Groton project designed to optimize fuel and air flow to deliver higher electrical efficiency.

As a result of our observation and commitment to quality, we are considering operating this platform at a reduced output of 3 megawatts per system for a total of approximately 6 megawatts at the start of commercial operations.

Our engineering team believes this will allow us to optimize performance of each of the 2 MEO unit and over a period of approximately one year, implement upgrades to each of the two MEO unit in order to bring the platform to its rated capacity of 7.4 megawatts. Under a prior extension provided by the U.S.

Navy, the deadline for achieving commercial operations is September 30, 2022. Therefore, we have approached both, the U.S. Navy and the Connecticut Municipal Electric Energy Cooperative, or CMEEC, to discuss our findings and proposal to start commercial operations by September 30, at the reduced output of approximately 6 megawatts.

While discussions are advancing, commencement of operations at approximately 6 megawatt requires approval for both, the U.S. Navy and CMEEC, and we cannot guarantee that they will provide their approval. Of course, we will provide updates as appropriate on our progress with this project. Like you, we are disappointed by the current challenge.

We remain steadfast in our commitment to delivering quality platforms to our customers. We believe the plan we have proposed to achieve commercial operations at approximately 6 megawatts by September 30th is the right path forward and provides benefits to all stakeholders in the project. As a team, we are working tirelessly to achieve resolution.

We continue to expect this project to highlight the ability of FuelCell Energy’s platforms to perform at high efficiencies, while advancing the U.S. Navy sustainability objectives and contributing to a reduction in Scope 2 emissions.

Incorporation of the platform into a microgrid is expected to demonstrate the capacity of FuelCell Energy’s platforms to increase grid stability, and resiliency, while supporting the U.S. military’s efforts to fortify base energy supply. Next, we are continuing to progress toward commercialization of our advanced technologies.

In the first quarter of fiscal year 2022, we achieved a technical milestone on our joint development agreement with ExxonMobil Technology and Engineering Company, or EMTEC.

And at the end of the second quarter of fiscal year 2022, we extended the term of the joint development agreement, enabling our companies to continue working to advance fuel cell carbon capture and storage technology.

Under the joint development agreement, we are also conducting a joint market study with EMTEC to define application opportunities and commercialization strategies, and identify partners for potential pilot or demonstration projects as we pursue carbon capture across a broad landscape of industrial applications.

My third key message is that we’re continuing to build our scale and growth path internationally.

We are scaling our commercial organization in Korea in support of building a pipeline of opportunities in Korea and the broader Asian market, where we believe that FuelCell Energy’s differentiated technology is a desirable choice for utility scale projects.

The South Korean government has announced an aggressive hydrogen economy roadmap, which we believe should create opportunities in this market. In addition, Japan has also announced goals to expand hydrogen usage.

In June, we announced a memorandum of understanding with TuNur Ltd., an independent renewable energy and green hydrogen developer focused on delivering low carbon electricity and hydrogen to North Africa and Europe.

We look forward to bringing our unique distributed generation and distributed hydrogen platforms to markets around the world as the hydrogen transition continues to develop. And to focus on domestic policy, we are very supportive of the recently enacted Inflation Reduction Act.

We expect that the various policy mechanisms within the Inflation Reduction Act will provide businesses with the long-term market and tax certainty needed to make important investment decisions including in hiring, manufacturing, and partnerships.

With this legislation, users and producers of FuelCell Technology will be able to take advantage of investment tax credits, production tax credits for clean power and hydrogen and carbon capture utilization and sequestration credits, which we have summarized on slide 6.

Together, we believe these are important incentives for building and deploying more clean energy assets across the country, ensuring that United States leverages its rich natural resources and decarbonizing our most challenging sectors without deindustrialization.

The investments FuelCell Energy is making in our business are well aligned with these policy goals. Next, on. slide 7, we highlight our capabilities that are available today, as well as the technology solutions we are driving toward commercialization.

We believe that our portfolio creates optionality for FuelCell Energy as the energy transition evolves. Our distributed power platforms are versatile and can be located in brownfield locations in dense urban areas.

This local deployment is made possible by the low noise profile and low emissions of our platforms, which makes them good neighbors and easy to site. They can operate on a variety of fuels including pipeline natural gas, renewable natural gas, onsite biogas, hydrogen blends, or a variety of other fuels.

Once commercialized, our solid oxide platform will be capable of operating on 100% hydrogen. Shown here is our Bridgeport Fuel Cell Park in Bridgeport Connecticut, which we believe demonstrates the ability of such an installation to play a part in revitalizing an urban community.

We also have built several utility microgrid applications, including a microgrid FuelCell at the University of California, San Diego shown here.

These distributed platforms are located near the point of use and provide power to critical resources in the event of a utility grid outage, helping to ensure that power remains available for Central Services.

A great example of our distributed hydrogen solution is the facility we are building for Toyota in Long Beach, California, which I previously discussed. This platform is expected to illustrate the ability to deploy a green hydrogen solution at the point of consumption, reducing infrastructure requirements.

I also want to highlight our carbon capture and carbon separation technology, which has been deployed at the Scotford Upgrader, a Canadian oil sands bitumen processor. Each of these solutions is manufactured in the U.S., with more than 80% of all materials coming from the U.S.

and a factory providing clean tech employment opportunities in a distressed municipality listed on the Connecticut public investment community list. And now, I will turn the call over to Mike to discuss the financial results for the third quarter in more detail.

Mike?.

Mike Bishop

capital expenditures; research and development; and continued build-out of our generation portfolio. Capital expenditures are in the areas of increased capacity expansion, additional test and laboratory facilities, and upgrades and expansion of our business systems.

We are decreasing our estimated four year CapEx to a range of $20 million to $30 million owing to the timing of certain investments that we now expect to be made in fiscal year 2023 versus fiscal year 2022.

Looking at research and development, our R&D efforts are focused on the commercialization of our hydrogen technologies, including long duration energy storage. We estimate that full year 2022 R&D expenses will be in the range of $30 million to $40 million. We are committed to continuing the build out of our generation portfolio.

As projects begin operation under long-term power purchase agreements, we expect to see growth in recurring revenues. As of July 31, 2022, we had 34.9 megawatts of projects under development and construction.

To build out this portfolio as of July 31, 2022, we estimate the remaining investment in project assets to be in the range of approximately $90 million to $100 million.

For fiscal year 2022, we forecast project expenditures to be in the range of $40 million to $60 million, which includes amounts being expense to the Toyota project that totaled $14 million for the nine months ended July 31, 2022. We expect these investments to result in revenue growth for the Company.

As discussed in our Investor Day, we have established targets for revenue in excess of $300 million by the end of fiscal year 2025 and in excess of $1 billion by the end of fiscal year 2030. In closing, we are pleased with the continued progress being made.

As Jason mentioned, we believe that the passage of the Inflation Reduction Act provides a constructive tailwind for our sector and Company alike, and is another validation point for the investments that FuelCell Energy is making and commercializing our solid oxide and carbon capture technologies.

These investments for the future, combined with our significant backlog, the recurring revenue from our generation fleet, and our continued sales focus, keep us well positioned for long-term success. I will now turn the call back to Jason..

Jason Few President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks, Mike. On slide 14 is a summary of our Powerhouse Business Strategy, which serves as our guiding strategy toward achieving long-term growth. The first tenet is grow. We want to pursue growth in markets and customer segments where we see significant opportunities for our technology. The second is scale.

We plan to scale our existing platform by investing in, extending and deepening our leadership and total human capital across the organization. And third, innovate. Over a 50-year history we have never stopped innovating.

We believe this will enable our participation in the growth of the hydrogen economy and carbon capture and drive us to deliver on our purpose. The Powerhouse Business Strategy has evolved over the past couple of years to now focus on growth.

With the current energy transition happening at an accelerated pace, we believe our technologies have an important role to play in helping society achieve our global sustainability goals.

We are moving forward with investments in capacity, capability and global talent, which we believe will enhance our ability to capture more of the market opportunity over the coming years and deliver enhanced shareholder returns over the long run.

Earlier this year, we published our first sustainability report, which was an important milestone for FuelCell Energy. I want to reaffirm and reiterate that our dedication to achieving net zero remains in the forefront of priorities. We are committed to achieving net zero and Scope 1 and Scope 2 emissions by 2030, and Scope 3 emissions by 2050.

We are aligned with the leading standards organizations and the UN Climate Action goals that we believe we can impact. Beyond our environmental commitments, we are equally focused on our employees, the people in the communities in which we work and live and being a diverse, equitable and inclusive organization.

In support of our journey, we took an important step by recently naming Betsy Schaefer as FuelCell Energy’s Sustainability Officer, reporting directly to me.

We’re thrilled that Betsy apply her considerable talents to leading our sustainability efforts and believe integrating this critical effort will further solidify our commitment to achieving net zero. I will conclude my prepared remarks with some takeaways on slide 16.

The Company has executed several strategic actions over the past few years that have strengthened our balance sheet, enhanced liquidity and reduced our cost of borrowing, which we believe positions us to execute on our growth strategy. We have multiple sources of funding including well-established relationships with financing providers.

We have further expanded sources of liquidity through tax equity transactions that provide flexibility to scale our operations by allowing capital to be recycled as projects reach completion. We have 1.28 billion of backlog with recurring revenues from long-term contracts.

Our financial foundation will enable us to grow, scale and innovate while we also explore strategic opportunities for partnerships. We’ll be thoughtful about allocating capital to fund the next phase of growth aligned with the addressable market opportunity.

Globally, policies to support the energy transition are gaining momentum, as evidenced by passage of the Inflation Reduction Act in the United States. I will now turn it over to the operator to begin Q&A..

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Colin Rusch with Oppenheimer..

Colin Rusch

Thanks so much, guys.

Can you talk a little bit about the incremental production capacity that you’re talking about? How much of that’s been driven by improved efficiency at the stack level, and how much of that is just really just more units coming to the factory?.

Jason Few President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Hey Colin, good morning, thank you for the question. I’ll turn it over to Mike Lisowski and let him give you an update on what we’re doing to actually get to the increased capacity out of our factory..

Mike Lisowski

Good morning, Colin. Thank you for the question. Yes. So, we’re taking a series of strategic actions to fully integrate our carbonate manufacturing capabilities, both from a capacity and current technology and future technology generation standpoint.

There’s a number of actions that we’re taking to optimize our operations, including the integration of our additional conditioning facilities, which will give us that 100 megawatts of onsite capacity. We also have plans and capabilities to double that onsite capacity in the future to support future growth demand.

We’re also making improvements across our platform in a number of ways in the cell technology development, of course, to support longer life and extended output power levels..

Colin Rusch

That’s super helpful. And then, just thinking about the balance of plant outside the stacks and all the labor around that. Can you talk about the efforts that you’re making around supply chain optimization and efficiency around labor? Certainly, those are big concerns for a lot of investors..

Mike Lisowski

Yes. Colin, thanks for the follow-up question. So, we have a longstanding foundational relationship with our supply chain. Like every company, we’ve experienced challenges across cost pressures as well as extended lead times. And we’ve taken a number of actions some time ago, to strengthen our supply chain.

We’ve leveraged existing project execution work to qualify additional sources of supply to increase our capacity, specifically around balance of plant suppliers and other key engineered component suppliers. So, we’re actively working that and expanding our manufacturing footprint to be able to support our global growth demand.

So there’s a number of initiatives that we have underway both domestically and abroad to increase that capacity to stay ahead of our demand curve to ensure that we can fulfill any customer requirements..

Jason Few President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

This is Jason. I would just add one additional thing to that, Colin, that’s important, I think, for us, from a supply chain perspective, that we’ve eliminated a lot of those supply chain issues as a result of more than 80% of our materials and our platforms are sourced within the United States.

So, that significantly helps when you look at shipping lanes and other things that are causing significant challenges in supply chain, which we get to avoid a lot of those..

Operator

Our next question comes from Chris Souther with B Riley..

Chris Souther

On the challenges that we’re seeing with the Groton project related to the MEOs.

Can you provide a bit more color on why this is a unique project specific challenge, just so we can get a better sense of why this is not something we should be concerned about with some of the other pipeline projects? And can you give more of a sense of how there’s confidence that this is like a one year fix to get up to the full 7.4 megawatts?.

Jason Few President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

We tried to provide a real detailed update in the 10-Q. Our plan is to run the plant at 6 megawatts. The thing that makes this different from our other projects is that the MEO in this configuration is unique to this particular plant, and the same configuration is not present on our other installed plants around, rather to the U.S. or internationally.

And so, the issues are unique to this plant, our engineering team feels very confident over the next year that we’ll be able to work through the issue to have they’re well understood. And they know how we’re going to drive those improvements. But that same issue is not present on our other platforms..

Chris Souther

And then, maybe on the product sales for new customers. Any update on the progress there. I’m curious what we’re seeing outside of some of the existing customer base in Korea for replacements.

Curious if you’re seeing any impact in the energy crisis in Europe, on sales efforts with challenges in natural gas supplies, and maybe just talk about the scope of some of the MOUs out there in Korean and North Africa would be helpful for folks?.

Jason Few President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Sure. We’re seeing a lot of momentum in growing the pipeline that we have. As we announced a little while ago, we brought in a new Chief Commercial Officer for the Company, and we’re seeing a lot of strong momentum there.

We are seeing a significant push, whether you’re looking at Korea, as you mentioned, or other Asian markets, or in Europe, to have momentum toward hydrogen and trying to get faster to a hydrogen economy.

We’re seeing that as a pretty significant driver, as one way to maybe deal with the pressure that’s being seen with the rising natural gas prices and particularly in the EU. With respect to markets, overall, we are seeing strong demand for grid resiliency and reliability.

In addition to some of the things that we’re doing with our platform, around carbon separation, we’re seeing strong interest in carbon capture. And we think that’s going to increase and particularly here in the U.S. with the passage of the IRA, given the improved economics around 45Q.

And so across the board, we feel good about the pipeline that we’re building, and the commercial opportunities that we have, whether it be in the U.S. or EU, as well as the Middle East and Africa.

With respect to the MOUs, those are all around the hydrogen economy and taking advantage of if you look at Tunisia in Northern Africa, you’ve got really strong coverage with the sun.

It makes it a great market to produce green hydrogen using solar and its proximity to Europe, with some of the pipeline infrastructure that already exists there and the ability to move hydrogen via pipe into Europe as a very strong source of supply.

So, we feel really good about those opportunities to participate in that and given the high efficiency that we anticipate having with our solid oxide platform, we think our platform is very well positioned to be a meaningful contributor to hydrogen production in that part of the world..

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Eric Stine with Craig-Hallum..

Eric Stine

Hey. So, I just want to stick on the product side. I noticed in the presentation, you mentioned an MOU with KEPCO and I know that you’ve done a project with one of their operating subsidiaries many years ago, but to me, that seems new, unless I missed that announcement. So, maybe just talk about the opportunity there.

Obviously, on the utility side, especially South Korea is a great market.

KEPCO has got a number of operating subsidiaries and so just maybe dig down a little deeper into South Korea in that specific MOU?.

Jason Few President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes. So, as you mentioned, we have an existing platform in Korea that is a FuelCell Energy platform with KOSPO, that’s a 20 megawatt platform that’s grid connected, and then also providing thermal energy for district heating.

That MOU then with KEPCO is about the opportunity to develop additional large scale utility projects in South Korea that take advantage of the unique capabilities of our platform to deliver thermal energy all the way up to steam. And as you may know, in South Korea, district heating is a big part of the energy infrastructure in South Korea.

So, we think we are well positioned to provide those services and have a competitive advantage, we believe over other Fuel Cell offerings in the market..

Eric Stine

I mean, is that something that we should view movement, there’s an indication that maybe with some clarity around the litigation that’s not been cleared up with POSCO that that is part of the reason why that MOU was signed, and that potentially there is some activity there?.

Jason Few President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes. I think that’s a fair way to think about it. I mean, getting the settlement with POSCO was really helpful with respect to just making it clear that we are back in the market that we have the exclusivity that POSCO had no longer exist, and that we are the manufacturer and distributor of our technology in the Korea market.

And that clarity has been quite helpful to driving interest end market activity for us in Korea -- in South Korea. .

Eric Stine

And maybe lastly, just on the product side and sticking there. You mentioned the interest in carbon capture around 45Q. But with regulatory certainty, I know that for a number of quarters, and obviously it’s been a focus for a long time, increased product sales in the U.S.

and you’ve been more optimistic that you’re making traction there but they’re long sales cycles.

Maybe where you stand now? And do you expect to start to see some product momentum in the U.S.?.

Jason Few President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

We do. We do expect to see product momentum in the U.S. And again, we continue to focus on, areas where we have advantages and the right to win with our technology, really leveraging the platform. So, we think with our ability to do carbon separation, with our own platform deliver carbon as a product.

I mean, if you think about, I think it was a week ago, in the Wall Street Journal, there was a pretty robust article about CO2 shortages and what’s happening with food producers in the U.S. and around the world, and the need for carbon.

We believe our platform gives the opportunity for those customers to take advantage of not only our clean power generation, but the ability to create certainty, not only around supply of CO2, but something they can’t really get today in today’s markets around CO2, and that’s the price certainty around CO2 over the long-term, which in our platforms or 20-year life platforms, being able to create, effectively a 20-year hedge on CO2 pricing is quite attractive to customers.

So, we’re seeing them into there.

And then, of course, when you start to think about large-scale carbon capture and sequestration, which 45Q plays into, the economics there increased the incentive for industrial customers particularly, to want to move forward with those kind of projects to take advantage of that and to capture those economics not only from an economic standpoint, but from what their customers are demanding that they do, following along with their own commitments around sustainability around their own reductions in emissions.

And so we think the advantage of 45Q whether it is sequestration and/or utilization creates quite an attractive opportunity for us. And then as we have communicated previously, we believe with respect to carbon capture that we are the only platform that has the ability to capture carbon, produce power, and hydrogen from a single platform.

And we think over the long run, that would give us an advantage on the cost of capture versus competing technologies..

Operator

Our next question comes from Noel Parks with Tuohy Brothers..

Noel Parks

Good morning. Just a couple of things. One, I thought I heard you mention regarding the Exxon JDA that you were exploring other partnership opportunities.

Was that with Exxon within the JDA or similar ones with other priorities?.

Jason Few President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes. So within the Exxon JDA and the extension that we did through the balance of this calendar year, one of the things that we did in that extension was to agree to collaboratively work on a joint marketing plan.

And that joint marketing plan is specific to going out and positioning our technology as a carbon capture solution for other prospective customers, and that is the work that’s being done there. So yes, that would mean that the technology will be deployed at other customers outside of Exxon through that joint marketing plan work..

Noel Parks

Great. And then just one other one. You were talking a little bit about the Inflation Reduction Act.

I was wondering, could you maybe characterize, are there any particular types of clients that, I am thinking maybe on the generation side especially, that might have, in particular, been waiting to get clarity on whether we were going to get new legislation? So do you have any sense of who might be, say, first out of the gate for a commitment now that we know what the incentive structure is like?.

Jason Few President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes, that’s a great question. We think that it actually helps kind of across the board in general, just because of the way that the new incentive structure is laid out.

But particularly, with the ability to take advantage of the investment tax credit as more of a direct payment, we think municipalities are great examples, or non-taxpayers are great opportunities for taking advantage of the new structure.

But we think it opens the door with respect to not just core power generation we think it opens the door for distributed hydrogen as another attractive opportunity in that.

And for us, that cuts across both what we can do with our trigen platform like what we’re doing in California and then ultimately with the commercialization of our SOEC platform to produce hydrogen. We think those become attractive opportunities.

And then again, just going back to carbon and carbon separation and carbon capture, we think those are great opportunities..

Operator

We have reached the end of the question-and-answer session. I will now turn the call back over to Jason for closing remarks..

Jason Few President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Chantelle, thank you very much for that. And I want to thank everyone for joining our call today. And again, we look forward to the opportunity to really leverage our technology and to help our customers reduce their carbon footprint and contribute to their sustainability goals.

And we are excited to work and deliver against our purpose of enabling the world to live a life with power by clean energy. Thank you very much for joining our call today. And we look forward to speaking to you again soon. Thank you..

Operator

This concludes today’s conference call. You may now disconnect..

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