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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2020 - Q2
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Operator

Good morning and welcome to the Criteo Second Quarter 2020 Earnings Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Edouard Lassalle, VP of Head of Investor and Analyst Relations. Please go ahead..

Edouard Lassalle

Thank you, Kyle. Good morning everyone, and welcome to Criteo's second quarter 2020 earnings call. We hope you all safe and healthy wherever you are. With us today are CEO, Megan Clarken; and CFO, Dave Anderson.

Please note that because of the ongoing restrictions, we're all joining this call from different locations today and as a result may face unwanted technical challenges. In the course of our call, management will make certain forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements reflect clear judgment and analysis only as of today.

And actual results may differ materially from current expectations based on a number of factors affecting Criteo's business.

Importantly, at this time, the global COVID-19 pandemic is still having a significant impact on the global economy on the business of our clients as well as on Criteo's business and may further impact Criteo's financial condition, results of operations and cash flows in the future.

There are significant uncertainties around the duration and extents of the pandemic. The dynamic nature of these circumstances may impact what we said on this call today, could still materially change at any time.

For more information, please refer to the risk factors discussed in our earnings release as well as the most recent Form 10-K and Form 10-Q filed with the SEC. We do not undertake any obligations to update any forward-looking statements discussed today, except as required by law.

In addition, during this call we’ll also discuss non-GAAP measures of our performance. Definitions of such metrics and the reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are included in the earnings release published on our website earlier today.

Finally, unless otherwise stated, all growth comparisons made during this call, are against the same period in the prior year. With that, it is my pleasure to now hand it over to Megan..

Megan Clarken Chief Executive Officer & Director

We remain focused on the five priorities for the short and mid-term that we had indicated on our Q1 earnings. First, to ensure employee safety and business continuity. Second, support our clients with direct response marketing through their business recovery.

Third, further align our organization and cost structure to support our strategic plan, while also investing for growth. Fourth, develop enduring, industry-leading solutions for online identification.

And fifth, execute against our full-stack DSP strategy, both organically and via partnerships, while staying nimble as the landscape unfolds and new trends emerge. With that, I’ll now hand it over to Dave to go over our Q2 performance and our financial outlook. Thanks all.

Dave?.

Dave Anderson

Thank you, Megan, and thank you very much for those very kind words. Good morning everyone. Let me echo what Megan said about everyone’s safety in this time and also appreciation for joining our call today. I'd like to start with our quarter two performance, and then I'm going to close with discussion of third quarter guidance.

And give you also some perspective about how we're thinking about the outlook for the remainder of 2020.

To start, Q2 performance was obviously a lot better than we originally expected with about two-thirds of our improvement compared to our April guide attributable to lower COVID impact, and one-third to better underlying performance including several positive one-time items. I'm going to explain that in just a few minutes.

Revenue for the quarter was a $438 million, ex-TAC the revenue declined 18% at constant currency to $180 million. We estimate that the net negative impact of COVID on the revenue ex-TAC during the quarter was about $41 million or about 19 points of growth.

So if we exclude this estimated net impact, revenue ex-TAC growth was slightly positive which was obviously encouraging.

Another COVID headwind more than entirely impacted large clients using marketing solutions, in particular, travel, classifieds and of course, the brick and mortar retail where some clients temporarily paused or even reduced their campaigns during the quarter.

Travel which stayed deeply affected contributed to over 50% of the net COVID headwind with remaining 45% to 50% of the impact evenly spread between classifieds and other verticals. While the impact on retail was overall close to zero.

It was very contrasted between large clients and the mid-market, in fact, spending by the mid-market and direct-to-consumer brands remained resilient was actually supported by COVID. Retail Media also benefited from a COVID tailwind. We estimate that about $4 million of this tailwind for Retail Media benefited Q2 only from a COVID tailwind.

Excluding this positive one-time tailwind for Retail Media and the $3 million favorable technical items related to client rebates, the traffic acquisition costs in the quarter review the normalized level of retail of revenue rather ex-TAC was about a $173 million in Q2.

Now, changes in foreign currency in the quarter provided a $3 million headwind compared to Q2 last year, but a $2 million tailwind compared to our guidance assumptions. The revenue ex-TAC margin in the quarter was 41% in line with the prior quarter and our expectations. Let's look at some of the operating highlight.

I'm just going to take you through these relatively quickly. Our new solutions doubled their contribution to revenue ex-TAC from Q2 last year to 20% of our total business. Obviously, the solid growth of Retail Media was a significant driver here. Excluding COVID retargeting only declined 7% at constant currency, compared to 27% on adjusted.

Net client additions were flat in the quarter and we ended March with close to 20,400 clients, which is a 3% growth year-over-year despite client retention declining to close to 80% for all solutions.

COVID had a significant impact on same-client revenue ex-TAC which declined 14% at constant currency, of which 21 points were attributable to the pandemic, 7 points to positive contribution from client stickiness across Marketing Solutions and Retail Media.

And, on the supply side, more than 4,700 direct publishers are now connected to one of our Criteo Direct Bidders on web and app and that’s a real nice growth on a year over year basis. Turning now to regional performance.

Revenue ex-TAC in the Americas grew about 2% at constant currency if you exclude an estimated COVID impact of $14 million, mostly on large customers and the broader classifieds vertical. Retail Media’s strong momentum continued to accelerate in the U.S.

For EMEA Revenue ex-TAC grew about 1% at constant currency, excluding an estimated $16 million COVID impact that was largely driven by the travel weakness. Our new business was healthy across EMEA, with success across both direct client and ad agencies.

We’re also seeing a few large clients adopt more stringent banners for obtaining user consent in some markets. And in APAC Revenue ex-TAC declined about 3% constant currency excluding an estimated $11 million COVID impact on travel and classifieds verticals, while retail saw a continued shift from offline to online, especially in midmarket.

Shifting to expenses, we reduced total expenses by $34 million on a GAAP basis, $27 million on a non-GAAP basis, or $3 million better than our Q2 target before $4 million of unplanned bad debt accrual. A lot of that accrual as you would expect was related to US customer.

The cost favorability was driven by a number of initiatives that Megan and Benoit talked about last quarter. Operating expenses declined 22% on a GAAP basis, 20% a non-GAAP basis. Headcount-related expenses represented 72% of GAAP OpEx, in line with last year as we reduced expenses across all areas of the business.

And as we indicated on our first quarter call, we're being very disciplined in all of our expenses in our headcount. If you look at the non-GAAP expenses by function, we also had favorable year-over-year expenses across R&D sales and operations as well as G&A.

Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter reached $39 million, which is significantly $37 million at guidance rates, $30 million above our original guidance for the second quarter. This drove the adjusted EBITDA margin to 22% of revenue ex-TAC, highlighting our increased focus on cost control in light of the current economic challenges.

D&A expenses decreased 5% as a result of fully amortizing some technology intangible assets and of our office right sizing policy if you recall we implemented in late 2019. The effective tax rate for the quarter was 30% thanks to the positive effect of the French patent box regime. Net income was $6 million, down 51%.

Adjusted diluted earnings per share were $0.27 [ph] only down 43% due to the positive impact of the share buyback program on the share count over the period.

Cash flow from operations declined 37% to $33 million, almost entirely driven by negative changes in working capital due to a 4-day higher DSO, reflecting continued impact of COVID on client payment terms.

And despite the payment mentality of some of our clients, including in the U.S., our teams stay focused and have done a tremendous job of collecting payables in a timely fashion. CapEx declined 43% as a result of cost control, including through optimized server usage.

And $15 million free cash flow came out solid thanks to reduced CapEx and resilient collections during the period. And free cash flow conversion for the first six months came in at a strong 61% of adjusted EBITDA.

And finally, cash and cash equivalents on the balance sheet stood at $578 million as of June 30, after spending $15 million on share repurchases in Q2 and also includes a preemptively draw $157 million on our EUR350 million revolver.

We purchased about 1.3 million shares under the buyback program at an average price of $11.70 of course financed through our free cash flow generation in the quarter. Let me now shift from the quarter and provide a little bit of guidance and perspective on the third quarter 2020.

The following obviously forward-looking statements reflect our expectations as of today, July 29. Now, as Megan explained earlier, our current view is that the pace of recovery from the pandemic may be much slower than probably most everybody anticipated, in particular for travel and classifieds clients.

The lack of international travel remains extremely complicated for OTAs and all clients in the travel space. This will negatively impact the third quarter, traditionally our most heavy quarter for travel. With continued uncertainty around COVID we expect continued impact also on the brick and mortar retail clients.

And the global situation on the job front and real estate sector will continue to be detrimental to clients in classifieds, in particular in Japan. As a result of the still highly uncertain economic situation, we don't perceive a full recovery happening before sometime in 2021 and obviously that's still very much a judgment.

Going into Q3, we've seen our July performance decline a bit below the 20% year-over-year on a global revenue ex-TAC basis.

And as of the date of this call, we expect August and September to show slightly more positive momentum, despite the weak expected contribution of travel and a more muted back to school season this year as a result of current restrictions. We estimate that net COVID impact on our Q3 revenue ex-TAC to be just below $40 million.

In addition, we’ve accounted for some headwind for the early adoption of iOS14 and also advertisers’ and publishers’ increased adoption of more stringent consent banners in some European markets.

On the expense side, we expect Q3 non-GAAP expenses to be approximately $17 million, or 9% at constant currency, below Q3 last year, in line with our prior indication.

Taking all of this into account, and as of July 29, we expect revenue ex-TAC for Q3 to be between $171 million and $173 million, translating into a year-over-year decline of 20% to 21% at constant currency, with ForEx expected to be a headwind about 150 basis points of growth or more than $3 million.

It is important to say a few words about the Q3 sequential growth, so Q2 to Q3. As we discussed earlier, our normalized revenue ex-TAC was $173 million in Q2. And the midpoint of our Q3 guidance, which assumes a $3 million headwind from iOS14 and stricter consent banners in Europe, would be $175 million on a Q2-comparable basis.

In other words, we see slight sequential growth on a normalized basis in Q3. This is before highlighting the expected weakness in travel in what is traditionally our largest quarter of the year for travel. For reference, revenue ex-TAC of about $25 million was done with travel clients in Q3 last year.

On the profitability side, we expect the still meaningful net COVID impact on our topline to translate into an Adjusted EBITDA for Q3 in the range of $31 million to $33 million. As usual, the ForEx assumptions supporting our guidance can be found in our earnings release.

Now, importantly with respect to the business outlook for the rest of the year, if you recall we withdrew our guidance for fiscal year 2020 on April 1st. Given how uncertain the situation still remains, we believe we’re still not in a position to reliably quantify the COVID-related impact on our financial results beyond the third quarter.

Therefore, we continue to not provide guidance for revenue ex-TAC and Adjusted EBITDA for first full year of fiscal year 2020. Let me share some of our current thinking for the fourth quarter. As of today, we’re currently modeling little economic recovery from the aftermath of the COVID.

And based on this macro backdrop, coupled with assumptions around the early impact of iOS14 from mid-September and the increased adoption of explicit consent in Europe, we believe the year-over-year decline of our revenue ex-TAC in Q4 could remain in a high-teens to low-20s percentage range on a year over year basis.

On the expense side, we obviously remain focused on managing the expense base and delivering favorability in 2020 compared to 2019. This includes more moderate assumptions for the second half in terms of bad debt reserve.

We also continue to closely monitor our cost base and look into further opportunities to ensure that our cash flow generation is strong in 2020 and beyond. So with those highlights Megan, let me turn it back over to you..

Megan Clarken Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks Dave. In closing, we delivered solid performance in Q2, in highly unusual times. While the pandemic remains dynamic and the business context very volatile, retail continues to hold up well and to enjoy rising ecommerce sales.

Midmarket remains strong, and Retail Media proves counter-cyclical in helping brands accelerate the shift of their trade marketing dollars on ecommerce sites. We have unique assets for direct response marketing and identity resolution to help marketers get the performance they need.

Our financial position is strong and we’ll stay very disciplined in our capital allocation. The leadership team is on board and fully focused on building our full-stack DSP strategy for the future for future ecommerce to capture large opportunities across the consumer brand and commerce space.

And with that, I’d now like to open up the floor now to questions..

Operator

And we will now begin the question and answer session. [Operator Instructions] And our first question today will come from Rocco Strauss with Arete. Please go head. Rocco Strauss your line is open..

Rocco Strauss

Sorry, I was on mute. Hey, altogether. Megan, I think you touched on IDFAs, the changes coming with iOS 14.

Is there a way to size the share of inventory to data transact on IDFAs in the quarter retargeting business as well as in the app install business within new solutions? And how quickly advertisers actually able to shift targeting towards other IDs? And secondly, with the hiring of top from OpenX, the ID initiatives to growing number of publish integration, it seems you are aiming more and more to cut out the SSPs and the exchanges fully from the equation, becoming your own SSP.

I guess the question here is, is there some thinking of opening Criteo’s direct bidder to other third-party DSPs to enable campaigns on those third-party DSPs to be enhanced by Criteo’s ID grab? Thank you..

Megan Clarken Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks, Rocco. That was the hard one, good for you. Good to hear you. IDFAs, it is difficult to size just because it is not necessarily something that we're seeing the effects of before. It is a little new in terms of how fast pipeline has come up to speed with getting consents and everything that goes along with it.

We've sized it enough to be able to make some assumptions around the hit ones that it causes up some terms of our revenue forecast for the rest of the year, where it impacts us. And Dave went through that before. Happy to have him share those numbers again if he has been handy.

But again, what I was talking about earlier was our plan to work with the industry to actually get in front of this through some of the technology that we're building out in order to put in an ID system that will allow the consumers to be in control, and directly users that pass data across to us that we can use to continue to run our business.

So, we do see we do see an impact for this year. Sizing it is complicated. We've focused on getting a solution in place to get profitable as soon as possible and something that we can utilize across the industry and help the ecosystem out. On the Todd Parson’s role coming into him joining our business. I'm thrilled with that.

I don't know if you know Todd, but he's a terrific guy, extremely talented. We have a strategy in front of us that goes full stack DSP, there's some exciting nuances now that sits in the center of that because of the strong performance of retail and the growth of ecommerce.

So, I haven't fully focused on that, with that clearly will become other opportunities to expand out that capacity to go into other areas. But in terms of SSPs and becoming SSPs and going, beyond what we have in terms of strategy on paper today, we don't have anything until he's looking at it and he can tell us which is the right direction to go.

And we have a lot on our plate. And the number one priority for me is that the team remain extremely focused..

Rocco Strauss

Thanks, Megan..

Operator

And our next question will from Dan Salmon with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead..

Dan Salmon

All right. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for the comment on IDFA. And trying to size it as you noted the complicated, Megan. And I think we'll probably not try to dig any more on sizing for it. But some of the color on the 4Q impact was helpful.

I guess, what I'd like to dig instead you elaborated off the top on the Retail Media business, which understandable why retargeting has gotten most of the focus with your business is the largest piece of the business, but Retail Media is really coming on strong.

And what I'd like to ask a little bit more about is, I think the role of the use of an outsourced ad tech back it is always made sense for small and midsized players who don't have the resources to build themselves.

But I'd love to hear you just talk a little bit more about how the conversation works with larger retailers who may have some of their own resources, but also tap into your offering and how you maintain strong relationship there? Thanks..

Megan Clarken Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks, Dan. Thanks for the question. It is a really good one. As you know, we do have relationships with some of the larger retailers, some of them use ad tech to offer some of the solutions inside of their own tech stack. So pull up white-labeling for one of a better term, some of what we do.

And as we go into the next round about strategy and open our offering up more, I suspect that there's going to be a lot more there that you will hear from us in terms of what we're doing with the larger retailers.

One thing that excites me about what we're doing here is if you think about midmarket being, such a superstar during this time and retail, ecommerce being so strong is a step that there's a miss-looking at it now that in terms of people searching now to buy new products, where do they start this search.

And the areas of retailer websites and other marketplaces has grown from 7% to during COVID 28%. And then you double that with a step we call the first step that we called out before in terms of 81% of consumers who have switched products will now stay with those products, post COVID.

There's a whole marketplace here that’s appearing for the mid-market, the midmarket retailers, which is exciting.

And so what I think we have, what I know we have here in terms of Retail Media plus a whole suite of the marketing solutions product as an offering that taps into both large retailers, but this growing mid-market range and mid-market retailers that are looking for an underlying platform like ours to be able to move advertising across from products to people to sites including retail site using privacy driven identity, everything that we have today.

So putting that all into those blocks into place, what I see as being sort of a massive opportunity for us. And just to cycle go back to your question, I think the large retailers that already have a presence are going to utilize some of that as well..

Dan Salmon

That's great. If I could have one follow up. You spoke, of course, about the high-level strategy around identity and you come from Nielsen, where the whole idea of the single source the truth [ph] is the foundation has always been the foundation of the business, and Dave obviously spent some time there as well.

My question to you is, do you think that there can be a single source of truth in digital? And if not, what do you think the most important differences are? And how an ecosystem works with multiple consensus identities versus the singular one? Thanks..

Megan Clarken Chief Executive Officer & Director

You guys this morning. All right. So I will put my Nielsen head on in the moment and respectfully answer the question. I think a single source of truth really means that somebody is a provider that has it. Like if everybody rallied around one provider that owned identity. Then you might get to a place where you have a single source of truth.

And in the same way that Nielsen measurement is the single source of truth. Let’s say same television because everybody rallies around it and says, okay, this is what we're going to train on. To your point, we're in a world where everybody has identity. Everybody says they have the best identity graph.

I truly think from my experience, when I look at Criteo’s identity graph, the best I've ever seen. And at the end of the day, it is about how you use it. First, that you get it by having relationship with the sell side and the buy side and ultimately with the consumer.

And when you have relationships, you get trusted access to information to do a better job of knowing who the consumer is and targeting the consumer. And if you do a better job with that, then you may call it the single source of truth. The content doesn't really matter.

It is about you provide the service, you get to the right people at the right time, on the right device, in the right place. And you don't annoy them because it is a contextual ad or contextual content that that you've served up to. And they appreciate getting it. So it is more about how you use it and the quality of the data that you have.

Then this notion of single source of truth for identity. Because, I agree with you and I happen to think that what we're sitting on here is just is gold..

Dan Salmon

That's great. Thank you for elaborating on it and congrats on hiring Todd..

Megan Clarken Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes..

Operator

And our next question comes from Nick Jones with Citi. Please go ahead..

Nick Jones

Thank you for taking my question. Just one more on the iOS14 update. It sounds like, you want to create or Criteo wants to create a solution that gives the users control over tracking or I think that's what iOS14 is trying to do. But the idea is that I think a lot of people are going to opt out.

So I guess could you maybe paint a picture of how you think the user engagement should be that I guess ostensibly would result in more opting in what that solution looks like in comparison to what Apple is doing?.

Megan Clarken Chief Executive Officer & Director

Hi, Nick. We come from a place that we believe consumers should be in control. And so the operating systems are trying to and admirably trying to put privacy restrictions in place that protect themselves from sitting on information or the notion that they might be using consumers’ information in the wrong way.

Consumers don't mind their information used if it is used for the right reasons and if it is used by a trusted partner. Our notion is give that right. So give that control back to the consumer so they can set up their own way in which they want to be treated, how their data is to be used, what they like and what they don't like.

And so everything we're doing around the ID system, the evocable ID system, is to set up a structure in which consumers can have that control.

And we believe that if you give consumers back that control and they feel comfortable about how their data is being used, and they see that they see that they can turn it off and on at any time or break it down and say you can use this but don't use this. They have control.

We think that they will more likely be willing to opt in on a system like that, than just have one choice of opt in, opt out and trust that their experience is going to be a good one, which it won't. So long way of saying, we want to give control back to the consumer and anything we can do to build tech to do that, we'll do..

Operator

And our next question will come from Sarah Simon with Berenberg. Please go ahead..

Sarah Simon

Yes, hi. I have a couple of questions. First one on the client retention, Dave, you mentioned it went down. Can you talk about the causes of that? I mean, do you think that it is basically COVID and classified and travel guys to be not bending anymore.

Do you think there's a more materially we need to be thinking about? The second one was a really small point. Can you just remind us again, what was the $4 million one off revenue that you were talking about? I didn't catch the explanation. And then, as we think about the 4,700 publishers you’ve directly integrated with.

I mean, obviously that gives you first party data, it addresses a lot of the issues people have around Chrome and cookies. So what’s holding back that number? Presumably most publishers would want to integrate with you. So any thoughts on how you speed that process up or why you wouldn't want to would be helpful. Thanks..

Dave Anderson

Well maybe I could go quickly with the point about and I mentioned the 80% on the client retention. And Sarah, we think that is significantly related to COVID and it goes back to clients that were particularly brick and mortar retail clients that were significantly impacted by COVID.

So, that number is something that I think is going to be, we'll have more color on that as we go forward, we'll obviously get more insights as we progress through the third quarter. But I think that's a significant issue there. Regarding the $4 million what I explained was the normalized revenue for the second quarter that recorded 180.

And I said, if you look at that on normalized basis. We had some, if you will, technical items, since they're just really related to the revenue accounting, if you will, all related to better than you would expect performance in the second quarter that was $3 million.

In the $4 million, it is really our best judgment, our best insight into what really was a tailwind for the Retail Media business that occurred in the second quarter, that really benefited exclusively the second quarter sort of the phenomena, flipside of some of the headwind that we experienced on the marketing solution side.

The flip side of that was an estimated $4 million, if you will, good guy that we don't think is going to repeat into Q3.

So that phenomena, together with the $3 million really represents our best judgment, taking 180 recorded, 189 Rev ex-T recorded and creating a more realistic view for both the actual performance as well as better for comparative purposes looking at Q2 and Q3.

And Megan, do you want to take the third element?.

Megan Clarken Chief Executive Officer & Director

The publishers, so you're referring to 4,700 publishers and getting first party data from them. Let me flip to the buy side, where we have over 20,000 advertisers and we get first party data from them. On the publisher side, the trick, as you know, is certainly we want more, we want as much as we can get. The trick is, how did they get it.

So the way to get first party data of course is having a relationship with it that be a sign on subscription-based model promotional, something whereby you can get something on the back of consumer. And it is difficult for publishers to work out what their strategies are to actually get them.

Some have done a fantastic job, others are still trying to get to a place where they can offer something to get something back. And we'll help as much as we possibly can. And I think we'll see if that will increase over time.

But still, that is, regardless of the publisher side being slower than the sell side, that's an enormous amount of first party data that we that access to, which is a very good place for us to be..

Sarah Simon

Okay.

So basically, is it fair to say that you try and do these integrations more with those publishers that have first party data than not? Or would you be trying to drive that integrations regardless? Because obviously there are the economic bidding taken into account as well?.

Megan Clarken Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes, we try to drive them regardless. And data just gets better as they evolve. That's correct..

Sarah Simon

Perfect, thanks..

Operator

Our next question will come from Andrew Boone with JMP Securities. Please go ahead..

Andrew Boone

Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. Megan, some other people in the industry believe that Google eventually not pull cookies.

Can you talk about your personal opinion there and how you see that playing out just given the impact on publishers, the open ecosystem and COVID? And then secondly, you guys talked about contextual targeting in the deck as well as in the prepared remarks.

Can you help us better understand your capabilities there? And any degradation in performance as compared to cookies? Thank you so much..

Megan Clarken Chief Executive Officer & Director

Number one, Google. And look, I hope that's right. We have a good relationship with Google. There have been a partner for some time. We respect what they do for the ecosystem. What Google is trying to do clearly is responds to the notion that they hold a lot of private information, and particularly as it relates to CCPA.

I think, they want to make sure that they can do the right thing in terms of CCPA. And so they've got their blinkers on, they're going after that, and none of us can blame them. It is not about what they're doing. It is about how they're doing it. I suspect that for some time that COVID might slow them down.

I still suspect that COVID might slow them down, not because they don't move fast is because the ecosystem needs time to catch up and all of us have had a bit of a jolt. What I will say is that it doesn't matter to us. Because this day is coming, whether it be third party cookies are past their due date.

And so for us, it is prudent to not worry about that timeframe, but think about how we get access to the information that we need going forward. So, personal information will not go back.

It will be about your relationship with the consumer and how you can get access to it in a way that is safe and private may feel comfortable and may feel good that you're using it for the benefit of their experience online. So, I'm sort of less focused about the timeframe around Google than I might have been before.

I'm more focused on the traction that we've made to take yourselves up five pegs ahead of where we might have been with Google. But yes, that's the answer to that. And contextual targeting has been around for us for a long time. So, we've been doing it for quite a long time.

It is never good as third party or first party or actual ID based one to one type targeting. But it is good for purpose in terms of giving something about the consumer that you're trying to get in front of. Because you can see them.

You can see the relevance of your message to what you're picking up that they're looking at, I'm just explaining it in terrible layman's terms. But it is a great fallback for us. And probably because it is such an old concept, it is not our first port of call, it is just something that's absolutely there when and if we need it.

And we do contextual targeting today. So it is nothing new for us and we're pretty good at it..

Operator

And this will conclude the question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to management for closing remarks..

Megan Clarken Chief Executive Officer & Director

Has the call dropped?.

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect..

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