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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2015 - Q2
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Executives

Dennis McDaniel - Investor Relations Officer Steve Johnston - President and Chief Executive Officer Michael Sewell - Chief Financial Officer Jack Schiff, Jr. - Executive Committee Chairman Ken Stecher - Chairman of the Board J.F.

Scherer - Chief Insurance Officer Eric Matthews - Principal Accounting Officer Marty Hollenbeck - Chief Investment Officer Marty Mullen - Chief Claims Officer.

Analysts

Paul Newsome - Sandler O'Neill & Partners Josh Shanker - Deutsche Bank Scott Heleniak - RBC Capital Markets.

Operator

Good morning. My name is Steve and I’ll be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Second Quarter 2015 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you.

Investor Relations Officer, Dennis McDaniel, you may begin your conference..

Dennis McDaniel Vice President & Investor Relations Officer

Hello, this is Dennis McDaniel of Cincinnati Financial. Thank you for joining us for our second quarter 2015 earnings conference call. Late yesterday, we issued a news release on our results, along with our supplemental financial package, including our quarter-end investment portfolio.

To find copies of any of these documents, please visit our Investor website, cinfin.com/investors. The shortest route to the information is the quarterly results link in the navigation menu on the far left. On this call, you’ll first hear from Steve Johnston, President and Chief Executive Officer; and then from Chief Financial Officer, Mike Sewell.

After their prepared remarks, investors participating on the call may ask questions. At that time, some responses may be made by others in the room with us, including the Cincinnati Insurance Company’s Executive Committee Chairman, Jack Schiff, Jr.; Chairman of the Board, Ken Stecher; Chief Insurance Officer for the Cincinnati Insurance, J.F.

Scherer; Principal Accounting Officer, Eric Matthews; Chief Investment Officer, Marty Hollenbeck; and Chief Claims Officer for Cincinnati Insurance, Marty Mullen. First, please note that some of the matters to be discussed today are forward-looking. These forward-looking statements involve certain risks and uncertainties.

With respect to these risks and uncertainties, we direct your attention to our news release and to our various filings with the SEC. Also a reconciliation of non-GAAP measures was provided with the news release. Statutory accounting data is prepared in accordance with statutory accounting rules and therefore is not reconciled to GAAP.

Now I’ll turn the call over to Steve..

Steve Johnston Executive Chairman

Good morning and thank you for joining us today to hear more about our second quarter results. Overall it was a strong quarter. Our results reflect well on our strategy and on the efforts of our associate and agents. We continue to see ongoing benefits from executing on the fundamentals while enhancing performance through various initiatives.

Together our underwriting programs and investment philosophy translated into substantial underwriting profit and are eighth consecutive quarter of investment income growth. Disciplined underwriting and pricing on each policy was aided by more favorable weather than in the second quarter of last year.

Together they led to a second quarter 2015 consolidated property-casualty combined ratio of 92.4%. Our first half 2015 combined ratio before catastrophe affects was 89.1% improving on that ratio from both full-year 2014 and 2013.

As we further segment our business we use pricing precision tools and informed underwriting judgment to select and retain policies at prices we believe provide an appropriate return for the risk we assume.

We continue to earn quality new business from other agencies especially in areas we been emphasizing such as personal lines products and services for our agencies higher net worth clients. We're on track to release executive capstone our new suite of high net worth insurance products in New York this quarter.

We’re also on track with progress for an initiative we announced early in the second quarter expansion of reinsurance assumed which we refer to the Cincinnati Re. We have an experience executive leading the effort and we are developing a small team of excellent people to help execute your plans.

We aim to be very disciplined in this expansion particularly during tough reinsurance market conditions. We have already entered into a future that will that will be reported during the third quarter generating approximately $15 million in diversifying written premium in 2015.

Overall pricing for the second quarter was very similar to the first quarter with average renewal price increases for commercialized continuing the percentages near the middle of the low single-digit range. That average includes the meeting effective of three year policies that were not yet subject to renewal during the second quarter.

For commercial property and commercial auto policies that did renew during the second quarter we continue to obtain meaningful price increases with both lines averaging in the mid single-digit range. Our personnel auto policies, average renewal price increases near the low end of the mid single-digit range.

Home owner policies were little higher in that range. For our excess and surplus line segment, the second quarter 2015 average renewal price percentage increases were also near the low end of the mid single-digit range.

The ENS segment continues to perform very well producing another quarter with combined ratio below 90% and double-digit growth in net written premiums. Our life insurance subsidiary including income from its investment portfolio also had another good quarter.

A double-digit growth and profit in the second quarter, while our six-month result in line with last year’s first half. I will conclude with a couple of points that I think are important for all companies stakeholders to keep in mind. First, our primary measure of financial performance the value creation ratio is designed long-term in nature.

So we are not alarmed when that measure falls short of target in the short-term due to securities market volatility. Our insurance business is in excellent shape.

We have confidence in all of our associates and the relationships we build with independent agencies and in the ongoing benefits of our strategic initiatives that aim to continually improve performance. Second, those studying this industry over the years have seen other times were merger and acquisition activity generated excitement and speculation.

We believe our proven successful strategy will continue to deliver long-term value to all stakeholders. Looking forward to the next few years, our vision includes continuing to profitably grow the company with our agency-centered model.

I'll now ask our Chief Financial Officer, Mike Sewell to highlight other aspects of our recent financial performance..

Michael Sewell Chief Financial Officer, Principal Accounting Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

Great. Thank you Steve and thanks to all of you for joining us today. First, I’ll highlight some important aspects of our second quarter investment results. We had another quarter of investment income growth with an increase of 3%.

All 48 common stocks in our core portfolio increased our annual regular dividend over the 12-month period of July 2014 through June 2015. The median dividend increase for those stocks was 7.7%.

For our fixed maturity portfolio, interest income rose despite declining average yields, in part due to the first half 2015 net purchases totaling $311 million. The bond portfolios second quarter 2015 pretax average yield reported at 4.64% was 12 basis points lower than a year ago.

Taxable bonds purchased during the second quarter had an average pretax yield of 4.48% while tax-exempt bond purchases averaged 3.43%. In both cases those yields are higher than those we experienced a year ago and in the first quarter of this year. Our bond portfolios effective duration at June 30 was 4.8 years up from 4.4 years at year end.

The increase was due primarily to the impact from rising interest rates on our callable bonds and not a change in strategy. Cash flow from operating activities again contributed to investment income growth.

Funds generated from net operating cash flows for the first half of 2015 rose 34% compared with a year ago to $470 million and help generate $394 million of net purchases of securities for our investment portfolio.

Paying $46 million less for catastrophe losses compared with a year ago help drive the increase in operating cash flow for the first half of this year. We are still carefully managing our expenses while we continue to strategically invest in our business.

We kept the second quarter and first half property-casualty underwriting expense ratios essentially flat compared with prior year. Moving to loss reserves, I’ll first remind you that our approach to setting overall reserves remains consistent with the past.

we continue aim for net amounts well into the upper half of the actuarially estimated range of net loss and loss expense reserves. For the first half of 2015 favorable development on prior accident years at 4.4% was essentially line with 4.8% from the first half of last year.

As we noted our news release we again prudently added IBNR reserves to our commercial and personal auto lines. At the same time we were pleased to see another quarter of improvement in the case occur loss ratio for those lines.

Our six month 2015 net favorable development was again spread over several accident years including 41% for accident year 2014, 23% for accident year 2013, 32% for accident year 2012 and 4% for all order accident years in aggregate. Our settler capital strength includes liquidity and financial flexibility.

Cash and marketable securities for our parent company at June 30 total nearly $1.8 billion up slightly from year end. Our strong capital is vital for ongoing growth of our insurance operations as well as other capital management actions such as returning capital to shareholders.

During the second quarter we use $74 million for cash dividends to shareholders we also use $20 million to repurchase 400,000 additional shares at an average cost of $50.90 per share. Similar to our share repurchases in 2014 there was a maintenance type action intended to partially offset the issuance of shares through equity compensation plans.

I’ll end my prepared remarks as usual by summarizing the contributions during the second quarter to book value per share. They represent the main drivers of our value creation ratio. Property casualty underwriting increased book value by $0.51. Life insurance operations added $0.07.

Investment income other than life insurance and reduced by non-insurance items, contributed $0.29. The change in unrealized gains at June 30 for the fixed income portfolio, net of realized gains and losses, decreased book value per share by $0.71.

The change in unrealized gains at June 30 for the equity portfolio, net of realized gains and losses, decreased book value by $0.32. And we declared $0.46 per share in dividends to shareholders. The net effect was a book value decrease of $0.62 during the second quarter to $39.60 per share. And now, I’ll turn the call back over to Steve..

Steve Johnston Executive Chairman

Thanks Mike. In closing our prepared remarks, I have to say that we have a lot of positive momentum going as we move into the second half of the year. In addition to the strong results we had positive news from two rating agencies that rate our company.

In June Standard & Poor's ratings services raised its financial strength and credit ratings on our standard market and life insurance subsidiaries to A+ from A with a stable outlook. S&P cited our improved underwriting performance and efforts to continue building strong relationships with our agency partners.

Two weeks ago, Fitch ratings affirmed the A+ insurer financial strength rating of our standard market and life insurance subsidiaries maintaining its stable outlook. We are confident that Cincinnati Financial is on the right track to deliver shareholder value far into the future.

We appreciate this opportunity to respond to your questions and also look forward to meeting in person with many of you during the remainder of the year. As a reminder with Mike and me today are Jack Schiff, Jr., Ken Stecher, J.F. Scherer, Eric Matthews, Marty Mullen and Marty Hollenbeck. Steve, please open the call for questions..

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Thank you, our first question comes from the line of Paul Newsome with Sandler O’Neill. Your line is open..

Paul Newsome

Good morning. Congratulations on the quarter..

Steve Johnston Executive Chairman

Thanks Paul..

Paul Newsome

This is probably a question for Mike. I’ve noticed, it looks like a fairly sizable increase in at least amount of reserve releases in the commercial business in the second quarter of every - for the last well, three, maybe four years.

Is there, are there any studies or events that happened during the quarter that would account for that pattern?.

Michael Sewell Chief Financial Officer, Principal Accounting Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

Let me kick it off Paul. And then we’ll see if Steve wants to jump in. We do studies really every quarter we’re using the same actuaries we’re following a consistent approach. They’re really looking at every everything you know commercial lines, personal lines ENS. And so full study is done each quarter I'm looking at the paid losses as they come in.

And then in addition to that annually we do have the external auditors are reviewing the reserves and opining on the financials in total. So we do have a process that we follow. We’ve got controls around that process and we believe it's a - it's a consistent process, that really we've been following for years.

I don’t know Steve if you have anything to add on to that..

Steve Johnston Executive Chairman

Mike I think that was well put. I don't have anything to add..

Paul Newsome

So I guess I'm really asking why there is a seasonality to reserve releases in the second quarter..

Steve Johnston Executive Chairman

I guess, this is Steve you know I don't know basically when it comes to prior year reserve development as Mike described as a consistent process or actuaries are looking at their best estimate of accident year ultimate losses to the extent they decrease their estimate of an ultimate accident year loss on prior years that would result in favorable development.

I think we’re careful to point out in the first-quarter call, that there isn’t a lot of activity at that point because there’s been such short time and such lack of additional information.

Since they did the full year review but I think it's just a matter of actuaries doing their best to get a best estimate of ultimate accident year losses at each of the financial close periods..

Michael Sewell Chief Financial Officer, Principal Accounting Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

Paul, maybe I’ll add one other comment related to the commercial lines specifically to the releases this year were, I am going to say fairly I mean we have releases for accident year 2014, 2013, 2012, there were releases in total in addition to all accident years prior to that with accident year 2014, 2013 and 2012 being, I’ll say somewhat consistent kind of between the $15 million to $25 million range for each of those accident years.

So there's no necessarily spikes in one certain year versus another..

Paul Newsome

Thank you..

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Josh Shanker with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open..

Josh Shanker

I'm not going to let you guys off the hook so easily. Paul is much more of a gentleman that I am.

Workers compensation, I know you're trying to get a best estimate $40 million in reserve releases, this is a long-tail line of business; tell me what happened during the quarter, please, that caused such a change in your outlook on that business?.

Steve Johnston Executive Chairman

I guess with the long-tailed line as you would expect to take not that much of a change in assumption, with the payments that stretch out for so long to result in higher changes in the estimate. So I think it's just the result of a lot of hard work just going on in the claims department and the underwriting department.

And is being reflected in the actuaries view of accident year ultimate losses in terms of original assumptions versus revised assumption as they gather more information..

Josh Shanker

So I mean in terms of - is this a information about claims progress on the severity side? On the frequency side? What accident years are affected? I mean, look, you guys always tend to have reserves in workers comp. That's definitely clear. You have a very, very conservative approach in this. It just seems outsize in nature. I know you are consistent.

But understanding the methodology would help us out a lot.

Is there anything you can point to in particular in that line that made you more optimistic during the quarter?.

Steve Johnston Executive Chairman

Josh, I just think they're looking at paid losses, how they are developing, they are using multiple regression methodologies, they are using standard methodologies, they are testing their assumptions currently versus assumptions that they've set before and coming up with their best estimate.

And I think in total reserves in terms of favorable development at this point in time this year are pretty much in line with where they were at the same point last year. I think we are trying our best to keep our reserve margin consistent and it’s just reflecting the best estimate of our actuaries..

Josh Shanker

Well, it looks excellent and I applaud your efforts. If we go back about a year ago and two years ago, you guys were on an aggressive sort of scouting of your properties, analyzing roofs and whatnot for the re-underwriting year. That became a huge benefit.

One of the things that we've been hearing a lot about is drone technologies and the extent to which you can get aerial views.

Do you think that Cincinnati could benefit and lower their expense ratio by doing regular roof analyses via remote-operated units?.

Marty Mullen

Hi Josh, this is Marty Mullen.

Actually, we already have a team formed to analyze the effectiveness and the values of the drone technology and underwriting loss control for those inspections as well and in claims and so we’re pretty excited about the opportunities with that technology and what it can bring to the industry for our commercial inspections on property during the new business cycle and also in claims, certainly in storm situations to provide visual data, confirm measurements and actually confirm loss cost estimates as well..

Josh Shanker

Is that in development, or have you begun to use it?.

Marty Mullen

We haven’t started using it yet. We have teams investigating the opportunity to file the appropriate paperwork as you know that has to be filed and approved before you can implement the technology, but we are encouraged with our progress and looking forward to the opportunities certainly before the end of year..

Josh Shanker

Great.

And finally, can you tell me a little bit about your relationship with Google Compare and what kind of flows you are seeing from that new channel?.

J.F. Scherer

Josh, this is J.F. We don’t have a relationship with Google Compare, we are not a fan of comparative raters, to be honest with you….

Josh Shanker

I'm sorry, I thought you were listed as one of their vendors on their site. But I guess that's a mistake..

J.F. Scherer

No, we don’t have a relationship with them..

Josh Shanker

Okay, thank you..

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Scott Heleniak with RBC. Your line is open..

Scott Heleniak

Hi, good morning. Just wondering if you could - now it's been a quarter since we announced the new reinsurance unit, reinsurance assumed. Wondering if - and you announced a couple new hirings yesterday as well.

Wondering if you had an update or you could share a little more on where you see that business heading and particular areas you might focus on?.

Steve Johnston Executive Chairman

Sure, Scott. This is Steve. We’re hiring some very good people, very talented people, we’re very happy with that. We are going to be very cautious as we move forward. We know it’s a tough reinsurance market. But as we look out there I mean just with the domestic reinsurance market. I think there's something like $70 billion in premium volume.

I kind of joke with the guys that we've now captured $15 million of it, I think that despite an overall tough market with talented people if we can look at it one treaty at a time, we can put ourselves in a position to especially utilize in the strong capital position to A plus rating that we’re in.

We can really differentiate and write those policies where we have good profit potential, good expected risk-adjusted returns. Again being very careful but putting our capital to work to generate more growth,.

Scott Heleniak

But could that be in property or casualty?.

Steve Johnston Executive Chairman

Yes we are not going to limit it to you know property or casualty we’re going to just look for the best opportunities treaty-by-treaty..

Scott Heleniak

Okay. That's fair. Then just on personal lines, I was wondering if you could elaborate on something in the press release. You talked about you are benefiting from agents broadening their underwriting appetite there. And just wonder if you could comment on that.

Does that mean because you're simply writing more personal lines in more states and you have more products to offer, such as high net worth? Just wondering if you could kind flesh out that comment?.

J.F. Scherer

Yes, Scott this is J.F.

I think what we intended to communicate there was that because of the high net worth focus that we now have an expanding our appetite not necessarily the agents appetite, we’re able to offer a lot more products to our current agency force throughout the country and the business we are writing in the high net worth category has gone up quite a bit as you would expect that it would.

Additionally we are expanding Steve mentioned in his remarks that will be opening up operations in the greater New York City area in the September introducing our high net worth approach and will be consistent with the way we've done things historically throughout the country.

We’re only going to point a few agencies our aim will be to earn a portion of their business that would be significant enough that we deem it to be successful in that area.

We are pleased, not unlike Cincinnati Re, we are very pleased with the work that Will Van Den Heuvel is doing to introduce us to that great appetite and he’s brought along a lot of very talented people that will enable us not only in New York, but across the country do a better job in high net worth area..

Scott Heleniak

Okay.

Along those lines, the comment about you are talking larger personal lines accounts, is that just - is that high net worth customers, or is that bundling, or a combination?.

J.F. Scherer

No not necessarily any bundling as a company we always would write package if you will the auto, the umbrella, the homeowners so that’s no different there we really don't write monoline business but when we talk about larger customers we’re talking about a high net worth..

Scott Heleniak

Okay, in the personal lines. All right..

J.F. Scherer

Yes, in the personal lines..

Scott Heleniak

Right, okay. And then the only other question I had was there's been an uptick in the realized gains this year. I guess over $100 million or so.

So could you talk about some of the areas you're reducing exposure? Is any of that just portfolio repositioning ahead of what might happen with the Fed next? Just any thoughts on that?.

Marty Hollenbeck

This is Marty Hollenbeck. Not really it’s more we manage - we are generally buy and hold. But in the equity portfolio we do on occasion reconfigure that’s primary driver of that we sold a few positions, awaiting deployment on some of it. But it doesn’t represent any kind of real strategic change..

Scott Heleniak

Okay. That’s all I had. Thanks..

Steve Johnston Executive Chairman

Thank you, Scott..

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] There no further questions of this time Mr. Johnston I turn the call back to you..

Steve Johnston Executive Chairman

Thank you, Steve and thanks to all of you for joining us today. We look forward to speaking with you again on our third quarter call. Thank you..

Operator

This concludes today’s conference call. You may now disconnect..

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