Bill Walljasper - Chief Financial Officer Bob Myers - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer.
Shane Higgin - Deutsche Bank Irene Nattel - RBC Capital Markets Chuck Cerankosky - Northcoast Research Bonnie Herzog - Wells Fargo Ben Bienvenu - Stephens Incorporated Stephen Grambling - Goldman Sachs Kelly Bania - BMO Capital Anthony Lebiedzinski - Sidoti and Company Bob Summers - Macquarie Research Equities.
Good day, ladies and gentlemen. And welcome to the Casey's General Stores Third Quarter Fiscal Year 2016 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will be given at that time.
[Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today’s conference, Mr. Bill Walljasper, Chief Financial Officer. Mr. Walljasper, you may begin..
Good morning and thank you for joining us to discuss Casey's results for the quarter ended January 31. I'm Bill Walljasper, Chief Financial Officer. Bob Myers, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, is also here.
Before we begin, I'll remind you that certain statements made by us during this investor call may constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.
These forward-looking statements include any statements relating to our possible or assume future results of operations, business strategies, growth opportunities and performance improvements at our stores.
There are number of known and unknown risks, uncertainties, and other factors that may cause our actual results to differ materially from any future results expressed or implied by those forward-looking statements, which are described in our most recent Annual Report on Form 10-K and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q as filed with the SEC and available on our website.
Any forward-looking statements made during this call reflect our current views as of today with respect to future events and Casey disclaims any intention or obligation to update or revise forward-looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise.
As a reminder, we will release February same-store sales on Tuesday, March 15. We’ll take a few minutes to summarize the quarter and then open it up for questions. I hope all of you’ve seen, diluted earnings per share in the third quarter were $0.97 compared to $1.01 a year-ago.
Year-to-date, diluted earnings per share were $4.54 compared to $3.57 a year ago. Earnings per share were down in the quarter from the prior year primarily due to a lower fuel margin, this period compared to a record quarterly margin a year ago.
Nearly $0.04 decrease in fuel margin, quarter over quarter represented approximately $0.30 on diluted earnings per share in the quarter. EBITDA in the third quarter was down slightly as a result of this. However, EBITDA, year-to-date was up nearly 19%.
In the fuel category, we experienced decline in wholesale fuel cost environment late in the third quarter, as well as an elevated RIN value that contributed to our fuel margins ahead of our annual goal. The margin was $0.181 per gallon compared to the record fuel margin of $0.22 per gallon last year in the same period.
During the quarter we sold 15.2 million RINs for $9.2 million. This represented about a $0.02 favorable impact to the fuel margin. Recently RINs are trading around $0.70. Last year in the fourth quarter the average RINs sold were also approximately $0.70. Year-to-date the fuel margin is $0.201 per gallon, well ahead of our annual goal.
The lower resale fuel prices we experienced a year ago drove same-store gallons up 1.6% during the quarter. Total gallons sold in third quarter increased 5.7% to 472.3 million. The average retail price of fuel for the quarter was $1.88 a gallon compared to $2.36 last year.
Fuel gross profit for quarter was down 13% to $85.5 million due to the lower fuel margin mentioned previously. Same-store gallons sold year-to-date were up 2.7% with total gallons sold for the year up over 7% to 1.5 billion. In the grocery and other merchandise category same-store sales were above our annual goal, increasing 7.1% in the quarter.
Total sales during this period rose nearly 10% to $453.4 million. We experienced double-digit total sales growth in nearly every area of this category, including cigarettes. Cigarette sale continues to benefit from the lower retail fuel prices.
The margin in the third quarter was down from our annual goal due to a larger sales contribution of lower margin products. However, it was in line with third quarter margin last year. Overall, we are pleased with the gains in this category. Over the quarter, gross profit dollars rose 10% to $141.5 million.
Year-to-date same-store sales were up 7.5% with an average margin of 31.8%. The Prepared Food and Fountain category continued its strong performance. Total sales were up 10% to $209.6 million for the quarter. Same-store sales in quarter were up 6% with an average margin of 62%, up 330 basis points from the same time a year ago.
The margin gain was primarily due to lower cheese costs and other commodity. The average cheese cost in the quarter was $1.89 per pound compared to $2.05 a year ago. The Company recently took advantage of declining cheese costs and locked in a majority of our cheese at $1.86 per pound through December of 2016.
Even though same-store sales fell below our annual goal in quarter, gross profit dollars increased over 16% in the period. Year-to-date same-store sales were up 8.5% with an average margin of 62.7%. Gross profit for the year was up 19.5%.
We remain optimistic about future sales growth in this category as we bring online additional pizza delivery stores and complete more major remodels in the fourth quarter. We are also pleased with the preliminary results of the introduction of our new mobile app at the beginning of January.
In the first seven weeks following the roll-out, the total downloads of our app have exceeded 200,000 and continues to grow. We are optimistic about the future benefit of this program. At the nine-month mark, operating expenses were up 8.7%. For the quarter, operating expenses are also up 8.7% to $259.6 million.
The majority of this increase was due to a rise in wages primarily related to operating more stores this quarter compared to the same time period a year ago, and an increase in the roll-out of additional 24-hour conversions, pizza delivery service and major remodels. On the income statement, total revenue in the quarter was down 6.3% to $1.6 billion.
This was due to a 20.4% decrease in the retail price of fuel, offset by 5.7% increase in gallons sold and an increase in the number of stores in operation this quarter compared to the same period a year ago.
Year-to-date total revenue was $5.5 billion, down 9.4% primarily due to a 25% lower retail fuel price from a year ago, again offset by a 7.1% increase in gallons sold and the sales gains inside the store.
The effective tax rate in the quarter was down 240 basis points, primarily due to the retroactive renewal of the work opportunity tax credit and an increase in favorable permit differences and a decrease in state tax expense. Our balance sheet continues to be strong. As of January 31, cash and cash equivalents were $53.6 million.
Long-term debt net of term maturities was $830.5 million while shareholder equity rose over $1 billion, up $168 million from the fiscal year-end. We generated $342.1 million in cash flow from operations. At the nine-month mark capital expenditures were $316.8 million compared to $329.2 million a year ago in the same period.
At the beginning of the year our capital expenditure projection was between $436 million and $528 million. This quarter we opened six new store constructions and completed two acquisitions. For the year we have acquired three stores and completed 31 new store constructions.
We are on pace to complete a total of 50 new store constructions by end of the fiscal year. Year-to-date we have replaced 11 stores. We currently have 22 new stores under construction and have an additional 59 new sites under contract. Our store count at the end of the quarter was 1,911 corporate stores.
In addition to the unit growth, year to date we have converted 110 locations to a 24-hour format, added 55 additional stores to the pizza delivery program and completed 60 major remodels. As indicated in the press release, we plan on converting an additional 45 stores to pizza delivery and complete 40 more major remodels in the fourth quarter.
This completes our review for the quarter. As I mentioned previously, we will release February same-store sales on Tuesday, March 15. We'll now take your questions..
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Karen Short with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open..
Yes. Good morning, this is actually Shane Higgins on for Karen. Thanks for taking my questions. Okay, so in terms of wage pressure are you guys seeing any kind of wage pressure out there today? If you can just speak to that, that would be great..
I don't think we see additional wage pressure than what we normally see throughout that fiscal year. We have had a few states that did raise their minimum wage but had nominal impact on our wages.
I know there has been some movement under foot by some larger retailers to increase the wage base but we don't primarily compete against those particular retailers..
Okay. That's great.
What were your credit card fees during the quarter?.
They were $22.8 million..
$22.8 million..
Yes..
Okay, great. And then on the lower cheese cost that you guys locked in, that's just a few pennies below I think what you had for last year.
I estimated that's around 10 basis points on margin, 10 basis point tailwind for calendar 2016, is that correct?.
Yes. We just we always kind of think through that every $0.10 per pound is about 35 to 40. So that's at probably in the ballpark..
Got it.
And what about coffee? Are you guys locked in on that as well?.
We did. We did lock in on coffee as well we extended that through the following fiscal year. In the last quarter we talked about the coffee lock that ran through into the summer of this particular calendar year. We have extended that as well.
So you should see over the course of next fiscal year roughly about 10 basis points to 15 basis points improvement with that lock..
Okay, great. What about price increases? I know you guys will be cycling the May, 2015 price increases in a couple of months.
You guys have plans to implement another one?.
Bob Myers Not that we're ready to announce at this point. As you probably know Shane over the last probably five to six years we have taken price increases from 1% up to 3% in a given year. So that will be contemplated as we move forward in the back half of this fiscal year as we prepare our capital budget for next fiscal year..
Okay. Just one last one.
Are you guys seeing any inflation in product costs? Anything that to call out?.
Nothing to call out at this time, Shane. .
Great. All right guys. Thanks so much, I'll yield. .
Thank you..
Great..
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Irene Nattel with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open. .
Thanks and good morning, everyone.
I am just wondering can you talk a little bit about the impact of weather during the quarter particularly went through the quarter and kind of what you saw during periods of more “normal weather”?.
That would be fine. We did have weather impact in the quarter and especially in the month of January from a comparative perspective. That's not one of the down sides I guess are putting out monthly same-store sales. You can be affected by not only calendar shifts but also weather in that short period of time.
As well as a shorter period of time in the quarter.
So we just had an extremely mild January last year, specific to that month as we began that month the same-store sales were given extremely well in the first two weeks and there was clear delineation or drop in same-store sales as we started cycling against that back half of that more favorable weather.
And so again that's one of the things that we do run the risk of especially in the markets that we have our stores located..
That's very helpful. And on that whole subject, certainly in the quarter we saw comps decelerate.
Is this something – can you just talk about what's happening there? Should we be looking for more moderate comps? Is it just cycling against tougher comps? Can you just talk a little bit about what you are seeing out there?.
Yes. That's a good question Irene. And a good share this has to do with some timing issues but with respect to some of the roll outs of our programs that we mentioned back in the second quarter conference call.
As we indicated pizza delivery and major remodels were going to be back loaded this year and it looks like the majority of those are going to be backload into the fourth quarter.
And knowing that they produce significant increases specifically in the prepared food category, you won't see the benefit of those until probably later in the fourth quarter with respect to the ones that we roll out this quarter and the ones that we’ll complete in the fourth quarter you won't see the benefit of that until next fiscal year or so.
Just a little bit of a timing issue there. The other thing I do want to point out to is I think there might have been some confusion over or what I will call over expectation of the roll out of our mobile app.
We did roll out our mobile app January 4 and I think there was an expectation of an immediate push in the same-store sales and that's just not quite the case. I mean you have your customers get accustomed to this new service, download the app, yet start utilizing the app. So as I alluded to we are currently optimistic about the mobile app roll out.
The downloads have been very good for us and we are starting to see some traction on that. But you probably won't see benefits from that until probably later in the fourth quarter if not next fiscal year. We still remain – to answer your question in a very short, we remain very optimistic about prepared food opportunities going into next fiscal year..
That's very helpful. Then, in a similar vain, certainly it seems as though given the pipeline of new store openings and the year to date, you are going to fall short of your target this year.
Is that just normal slippage? Is that an indication that you are finding harder to find sites? Can you talk a little bit about that?.
Yes. You are right on point. We will fall – looks like we’re going to fall a little short on unit growth goal. That’s really a function of the acquisition environment. Coming into the fiscal year we certainly had hopes to acquire more locations. But the multiples and seller expectations certainly have increased over the course of the year.
We are going to remain very patient with that. We are not going to over pay so we can tell Wall Street that we increased the number of units. We’ll be very diligent to keep our eye on ROIC with respect to those type of transactions. But having said that Irene you probably noticed that we do have 59 new sites under contract.
Our new store construction, we’ve taken the steps over the last year or so in store development area to increase almost double the staff of individuals that go out and find sites for us not only from an acquisition perspective but also new sites for construction.
So I think you are starting to see some of the provision of those efforts in the 59 sites under contract. The take away there is you will see an acceleration of new store construction this fiscal year and we’ll be more specific when we release our goals in June about that year and perhaps the plans even beyond that..
That’s very helpful. And just finally if I will in continuing on that subject presumably once the new DC is opened up and running we should also see more new store openings in new geographies where you tend to have a better return on the new stores? I am going to rephrase that.
You tend to have very attractive flow through economics?.
Yes. I will answer that question. The new distribution center is up and operational. It kicked off the first week of February. It is, knock on wood, running very smoothly at this point and it is certainly on pace if not ahead of pace to transition truck routes over to that.
Just as a reiteration the plan in the first year of operation is to transition roughly about a third of our stores to that facility to get it up to more optimal levels. We expect that to be a relatively neutral event. It might be slightly accretive, slightly dilutive but relatively neutral.
But specific to your question is part of the reason that we have begun ramping up to this store development area is anticipation of the roll out of that distribution center it will provide new geographies for us to look at and in the not so distant future we will be into some additional states.
So a lot of these growths that we just discussed will be south and easterly..
That’s very helpful. Thank you..
Welcome..
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Chuck Cerankosky with Northcoast Research. Your line is open. .
Good morning, everyone..
Hi, Chuck..
Good morning, Chuck..
Bill, could you please go over before I get into my other question make sure I understand this year-to-date how many stores have added pizza delivery and how many major remodels you have done and then how many more of each of those you’ve planned in the fourth quarter..
Yes. So I will talk you to 24-hour conversions. We don't have additional plans in the fourth quarter. We have roughly about 110 of those completed this fiscal year. Most of all those were done in the first quarter. With respect to the year-to-date numbers for pizza delivery we are just a little bit over 400 right now.
We have about 45 of those remaining to roll out in the fourth quarter. With respect to major remodels we have roughly about 320 of those year-to-date. And we have roughly about 40 more remaining in the fourth quarter to roll out.
And actually as I mentioned and kind of alluded to come June, we'll put out what our goals are with respect to those particular programs, but you could probably anticipate similar type roll outs next fiscal year that you saw this fiscal year..
With regard to the new distribution facility in Terre Haute, is it handling all products right now and how does that transition progress as the original warehouse in Ankeny off loads, trucking routes and merchandise to specific stores?.
It does handle all the products that our distribution center here in Ankeny handles just on a lesser scale. So over the course of next year as we transition more and more stores to that inventory levels here that distribution center will go down as we get a little more optimal at that facility..
All right, great.
And then any sense that the acquisition environment might be improving now or over the next 12 months because of the credit markets and what's happened to commodity prices especially with the energy NLPs?.
Right now, we haven't seen any additional movement recently relative to what we saw in the last couple quarters. I mean the seller expectations are still very high. There has been several larger transactions in our industry not in our market area and those multiples have been relatively high compared to prior years.
So I think that certainly is kind of helping seller expectations stay up there a little bit. But we'll still certainly I mean continue to look at acquisition opportunities especially as we look to penetrate new states..
All right. Thank you..
Thanks, Chuck..
Thanks, Chuck..
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Bonnie Herzog with Wells Fargo. Your line is open. .
Good morning..
Hi, Bonnie..
Hi, I just have a question on cigs and tobacco. Just curious what else you're seeing in the category.
Are you still seeing the stronger tobacco consumer? Do you see that continuing given the lower gas prices? And has that continued to help drive the category? Then I would also be curious to hear from you what you are seeing in terms of the competitive environment regarding promotional spending by the manufacturers.
Has this started to heat up at all?.
I will try to get all those answers here for you. With respect to the cigarette category, we are still seeing some very solid comps. Most of the comps that we have seen over the course of this year have been in the high single-digits. Right now that continues. So I believe the lower retail fuel prices you eluded to, Bonnie, are benefiting that.
A couple things. We do see a trade-up phenomenon still continuing within the cigarette category. People are transitioning over more to the premium brands of cigarettes. They're also a little bit more towards cartons, both of which have lower margins, as you know, but certainly higher $0.01 profit. We kind of alluded to that in the press release.
Also, this particular quarter there always this seasonal product mix shift in Q3. If you look at it sequentially, we typically see a general merchandise margin down-tick from Q2 to Q3 and then a tick back up from Q3 to Q4.
That's just you are selling fewer higher-margin items in those winter months like bottled water, energy drinks, ice some of those types of products. Cigarettes continue to do very well. As far as the manufacturer programs go, we haven't seen any necessarily impact from that, but we keep our eyes on that..
Okay, that's helpful. Maybe just a final quick question on your mobile app, which sounds very encouraging.
Just curious, are you seeing any increased add-ons or attachments with this app as these consumers are coming into your stores? Is it driving greater traffic? What are some of the key themes that you have been seeing from this app?.
It's harder to say as far as the traffic goes, but certainly from a perspective of analyzing or comparing an online order for, say, a product versus a telephonic order, the ring is significantly higher on the online order. We are encouraged by that. But I will keep in mind, it is very preliminary at this point.
We have only had it out there for about seven weeks. So far, not only the downloads of the apps have been pretty encouraging, but also the add-on sales with respect to those type of orders. Even if we do transition somebody from a telephonic order to online I think we have a benefit just purely from that.
So expect to hear from us in a little bit more detail of some of the impact at the June conference call..
All right, thank you. .
Thanks, Bonnie..
Thank you. Our next question comes from line of Ben Bienvenu with Stephens Incorporated. Your line is open..
Thanks, good morning guys..
Good morning..
So just circling back quickly to the new distribution center, you talk about it being neutral to the P&L in year one. Should we expect a, potentially, a near-term burden on expenses and then a later-term windfall to expenses? Or should that neutrality to the P&L be ratable throughout the next year..
I think the neutrality on the P&L will yield, you'll see that in the first 12 months following the roll-out. And so then as we get more and more up to optimal capacity at that facility, what you will see then, Ben, is we will eliminate all three-day truck routes that we had previously and a good portion of the two-day truck routes.
And so by doing that, you eliminate a number of expenses. One would be, obviously the hotel expense to put our drivers up overnight, as well as the meal expense, not to mention a lot of reduction in the miles. As we head into the second year of it, we are hopeful that can get to an accretive mode..
Great.
Then shifting gears to your initiatives and your roll-out of initiatives, can you provide commentary on the initiatives that you've rolled out in the last couple quarters? How are those performing relative to those same initiatives that you may have rolled out a year or two ago? Are you seeing similar levels of growth or has that moderated at all?.
That's a great question. I am glad you asked that question. One of the encouraging things we have seen is that the roll out of additional programs like the 24 hours pizza delivery and the major remodels here this fiscal year that had a similar impact of the original ones that we rolled out years ago.
The reason that's important is because intuitively somebody could make the analysis that you picked the low-hanging fruit. And then the ones that you are picking now, even though they are benefiting the Company, they may not be as benefiting as greatly. That's not the case. We have not seen that as of yet.
We are really encouraged by the performance of the recent roll-outs..
That's great to hear.
Looking at new-market store performance, are those still out-comping the rest of the chain? How are those progressing as your brand awareness builds in new markets?.
Well they're obviously progressing. Any time you go into a new market, your brand is obviously not as well known, especially in the prepared food category. It does take a little time to get that brand recognition. We have definitely seen acceleration in the performance, for instance, of our Arkansas stores.
We have been in that state now for three years. And so we are encouraged by that progress. As we alluded to in the call back in December, we do have different programs like this pizza-to-pump program that we roll out in some of the newer states it kind of jump-starts and introduce our prepared food program.
We’ll continue to utilize those as we head into some of the new states that we alluded to a little bit earlier..
Great. And then just footing back to your commentary, in your prepared comments this morning and in the press release, you talked about your optimism around the Prepared Food and Fountain growth in that category. If you look at your existing guidance for the year, it implies a 16% comp in fourth quarter, which I guess seems pretty strong.
Can you foot that relative to your expectations of the achievability of full-year guidance and your optimism around that business?.
Obviously with the comments you just made it will be very, very challenging for us to hit the same-store sales goal in prepared foods, given where we’re at year-to-date with just three months left in the fiscal year.
However, having said that, one of the things that I do want to emphasize is we do put out same-store sales goals and we also put out margin goals. But at the end of the day, we manage the gross profit dollars. And so for us that’s the important thing.
Even though we may be off on one of those, we certainly are ahead of expectations on gross profit dollars. A 19.5% increase in gross profit dollars year-to-date in prepared food is a very solid number for us.
Even to elaborate a little bit more on that, looking at the contribution of same-store sales, typically what we have seen from these programs over the year, it is about 30% to 35% to the comp base.
Knowing that we’re going to roll out a similar amount next year and they’re performing in line with previous roll-outs, that’s what gives us optimism that we still have quite a bit of runway on all of these particular programs over the next several years.
In addition to that would be the additional traction that we hope to gain in the continued roll-out of the mobile app..
That’s great. That’s encouraging commentary. One last one for me and I will hop in the queue. Your pizza delivery program, it’s been a big success for the prepared food category but obviously it doesn’t touch the grocery category.
Have you guys thought at all about the viability of adding grocery categories to the delivery program there? What are your thoughts around the potential for that playing out?.
The short answer is yes. We have had some recent conversations internally about the opportunity to expand that. I don’t know when that will take place or to what degree it will take place even. Certainly those conversations are happening internally.
As we get more penetration of the pizza delivery service out there and it gets to be more well known, I think you will have an opportunity then to transition into some other products that will be complementary to not only pizza and sandwiches but other things..
Great. Best of luck going forward. Thanks guys..
Thanks, Ben..
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Stephen Grambling with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open..
Hey, good morning..
Good morning, Stephen..
Good morning..
Just to followup on some of the other questions on store openings, how do you think about organic unit growth potential longer term relative to the industry saturation, both in your existing and new markets?.
Great question. Obviously organic growth is something that the pace of which we can control on a pretty even-keel basis, whereas acquisitions tend to be lumpy. I still think acquisitions will be a very viable part of our growth strategy for years to come. But certainly don’t want to rely on a majority of our unit growth coming out of acquisitions.
As I alluded to earlier in the call, we have taken steps in the store development area to increase the number of personnel as well as different realignment of responsibilities in that area. And so some of the things that you are seeing right now is we have 59 sites under contact and growing.
And so we obviously are looking to increase the number of new store constructions not only next fiscal year but certainly beyond that. That’s the game plan going right now..
So asked another way, how many stores do you think your new DC can support?.
Oh, I’m sorry. We don’t give out a number of stores because it’s very hard to make that type of analysis because it will depend on how we grow the inside of our business. For instance, one of the reasons that our current distribution center started reaching capacity quicker than we anticipated is the boom in prepared foods.
And so A lot will depend on that growth. But maybe a better way to look at it is, Stephen, if we are having this call here in about four or five years, we are probably talking about third distribution center..
Fair enough. And then another topic that’s been coming up more recently related to wages has been the proposal for basically exemption employees.
Can you talk about potential impact that could have on your business?.
Yes, exactly. We have not given out a number at that point but it is a significant number that will affect not only us, it will affect many, many retailers. That’s the minimum exempt number going up to I think it’s like $50,000 or $52,000, in that area. Our average store manager makes around $37,000 to $38,000.
So certainly it is a an impactful thing but I don’t believe it puts us at a competitive disadvantage with anybody in our sector. And typically we look at minimum wage type increases as a pass-through and so we will look at opportunities in that regard..
That’s helpful. One last one if I can sneak it in.
As we think about the fuel margin environment – I know this is inherently hard to predict – but as you look at, kind of going forward, any kind of a normalized rate, what are some of the puts and takes that might push that margin in one direction or the other, I guess excluding RINs? And kind of what’s underlying this is, do you think if prices were to rise again we would go back to the place you were five years ago? Or are there things that have just changed structurally in the industry? Thanks.
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Yes. That’s a good question and fair question. It is hard to predict the fuel margin on a go forward basis but maybe some thoughts around that. Typically strong environment for us is decline wholesale environment coupled with volatility. That's probably one of the better environments.
But even in a rising wholesale environment you can have volatility and significant volatility, which will benefit your fuel margin. One of the things you alluded to is underlying sentiment of some of our peers out there. There have been a lot of pressures in our industry that affect gross profit dollars.
You just happened to ask about one of them with respect to minimum exempt law. Somebody will have to offset that if they can't offset in business they'll probably become an acquisition candidate. Where we find our peers offsetting pressures like that and other pressures will be in the fuel margin.
So I’m not sure there is I think it's hard for me to predict where fuel margin will go but I think there are some things that will help support that fuel margin. Keep in mind as retail fuel prices increase so will credit card fees. That's another impact to gross profit dollars that will have to be offset.
We see our peers tend to offset that in the fuel margin..
Fair enough, thanks so much. .
Thanks, Steve..
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Kelly Bania with BMO Capital. Your line is open..
Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question..
Hi Kelly, how are you?.
Good morning. I just wanted to ask about the pizza delivery.
I know this may be really nitpicking but in terms of the timing of the roll-out of those for the fourth quarter, are those late in the quarter? Should we expect those I guess to impact next year in FY17 in terms of the prepared food comps? Or should we expect any impact on the fourth-quarter prepared food comps?.
Good question. The remaining numbers, which are 45 additional pizza delivery stores and 40 major remodels, will be towards the back half of the fourth quarter. So I would not look for either one of those to have any significant impact in the fourth quarter, but yet be an impact in the next fiscal year..
Okay, that's helpful.
I think there was already a question about the pizza delivery and the impact of those when you make those additions to the store, but on 24-hour conversions and major remodels are you also still seeing a similar lift as you have in recent years?.
We are seeing a similar lift and I will reiterate what that lift is for everybody. With the 24-hour conversion we typically see about a 20% to 30% increase in prepared food and fountain sales, about a 10% to 20% increase in the grocery and other merchandise category.
With respect to major remodels we see about a 25% to 35% lift in prepared foods and about a 5% to 15% in grocery and other merchandise. Pizza delivery, obviously, is specific to the prepared food category so we would see about a 20% to 30% lift in prepared food and fountain sales in the first year of roll-out..
Thank you, that's very helpful. Usually, typically in past quarters you talk about same-store sales and operating expenses for stores that have not been impacted by initiatives.
Do you have any color on those metrics this quarter?.
Yes, that number actually is in our 10-Q. The number is 4.4% for stores that are unchanged or unaffected by some of the programs we just mentioned..
That 4.4% was OpEx?.
That's correct. That's the OpEx lift on a same-store basis from the perspective of stores that are unchanged. In other words, not affected by 24- hour conversions pizza delivery service and major remodel..
And the – do you have the corresponding same-store sales for that group of stores?.
I don't have that with me, no..
Got it, okay.
Then the other question, where did customer traffic end up relative or just in the quarter?.
Customer traffic in the quarter was up about 3.5%..
And in terms of price increases, as you evaluate potential price increases maybe over the next year or so, I know you do a lot of work on competitive pricing and looking at what your local competitors are doing.
Any comments on what you are seeing your competitors doing? Are you seeing them raise prices as well? How do you feel about your positioning with competitors in that regard?.
Yes. And we're right now in the middle of taking a look at potential price increases for the upcoming fiscal year. To your point though, Kelly, we do pricing surveys on a very regular basis. In fact, it's a monthly basis on key products, not all products obviously, but key product.
Pizza is obviously a key product and coffee and 20-ounce sodas and things of that nature. We do want to remain competitive on those.
I can't give you any information as to give you an idea what the price increases might be, but certainly we think there are opportunities going forward with price increases, especially as we see some of the pressures in the industry continue to take hold..
And then last one on your comp gallon outlook. It seems like it did slow a little bit here and gas prices continue to come down.
What's your sense on – what you are seeing from consumers? Are they just starting to get used to this low gas price environment? How should we think about a normalized comp gallon outlook?.
Good question. Coming into the year, as we set our goals at a 2% same-store gallon movement, we certainly anticipated Q1 and Q2 would be higher gallon growth relative to the back half of the year, primarily because of the differential in retail fuel price period over period.
So the 1.6% that you see in the third quarter is a reflection of cycling over some of those where we started to decrease the retail price about a year ago. So that’s really what’s involved there..
Great, thank you..
You’re welcome..
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Anthony Lebiedzinski with Sidoti and Company. Your line is open. .
Yes, good morning. Thank you for taking the question. Just a couple things. First, going back to one of the previous questions in regards to some of the metrics for the 24-hour conversions and the remodels.
Bill, are you also seeing still 5% to 15% increases in customer count?.
Yes, yes, we are. .
Okay..
That’s on the 24-hour conversion..
Right. Okay..
The customer count was very different on the other ones, but yes..
For the remodels, what’s the number?.
Same thing, 5% to 15%..
Okay. Okay, good. Also, with respect to the number of RINs, looking at that, it was up 9% from last year during the third fiscal quarter and year to date it’s up 13%.
As far as the pure volume of the renewable fuel credits, how should we think about that going forward?.
That’s a good take away there, Anthony. Actually you’ve hit it right on the head. The number of RINs have been increasing over this fiscal year. I can’t give you necessarily a prediction of what they’ll be here in the fourth quarter but certainly we are accelerating the number of RINs.
Right now they’re trading around $0.70 which is about what they were trading at in the fourth quarter a year ago..
Okay.
And what is that attributable to as far as the increase in RINs? Because I thought you can only do this really in Iowa?.
Yes. Keep in mind, Anthony, if you look at the same-store gallon growth over this fiscal year, as we increase our same-store gallon growth, a lot of that comes from the state of Iowa. Therein lies an opportunity to increase the number RINs..
Got it, okay. Lastly, as far as the 59 sites that you have under contract, are these primarily in your current operating area? Or are any of these in any of the newer markets? Maybe you can touch on what your expectation is on utilizing your second DC for sites such as in Michigan or Ohio..
Yes. The majority of those sites are going to be – it’s going to be a blend, first of all, in our entire market area. A good portion of those sites are going to be towards newer opportunities, newer markets. Right now we haven’t announced any new states as of yet but certainly currently working on it.
The two states mentioned we believe are attractive states for penetration. We are actively looking in those states and we’re looking further east in Tennessee and Kentucky, more opportunities in Arkansas. Also Oklahoma has been a very good state for us, so we are looking for more opportunities in Oklahoma.
It definitely will be geared towards some more outlying areas and some new markets. We are excited about that. .
Okay, thank you..
You bet..
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Bob Summers with Macquarie. Your line is open..
Good morning, guys..
Hi, Bob..
Just two real quick questions. Circling back to pricing, I think there has been some concern about pizza wars among the national operators. I guess it is my view that you are under-exposed. Can you talk about the impact and why, if Domino’s and Papa Johns or whomever, start to beat each other up that it doesn’t impact you..
I think you hit it on the head. Under-exposed is the term you used there. We do come up in a competitive landscape with Domino’s and a few other of the larger pizza chains but not as much as people may think, given our small town demographics. Keep in mind, over half our stores are located in towns with a population of 3,500 or less.
As far as the aggressive marketing of those companies, we have seen that. We do take note of that and keep our eye on that. To the extent that it does affect us or impact us in a specific market area, we will certainly make note of that and maybe make some adjustments in that regard.
I can’t speculate as to why they’re being a little bit more promotional. It may have to do with the lower cheese cost, but that I don’t know. .
Right..
That I don’t know..
Okay.
And then from a geographic perspective, are you seeing any divergence in performance? I think you are largely south and east of the carnage that’s going on in the energy complex but anything to consider there? Is there any leakage into your markets?.
No, we don’t believe there is any leakage at this point..
Okay, great. Thank you..
Thanks..
Thank you. This concludes our Q&A session for today. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Walljasper for any closing remarks..
I would like to thank everybody for joining us this morning. A reminder again that next Tuesday, March 15, we will release our February same-store sales. Have a good week and a good weekend. Thank you..
Thank you..
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