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Good afternoon. Thank you for attending today's KBR's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2024 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Tamia, and I will be your moderator for today's call [Operator Instructions]. I would now like to pass the conference over to your host, Jamie DuBray, Vice President of Investor Relations.

Thank you. Good afternoon. And welcome to KBR's fourth quarter and fiscal 2024 earnings call. Joining me are Stuart Bradie, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Mark Sopp, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Stuart and Mark will provide highlights from the quarter and full year and then open the call for your questions. Today's earnings presentation is available on the Investors section of our Web site at kbr.com. This discussion includes forward-looking statements reflecting KBR's views about future events and their potential impact on performance as outlined on Slide 2. These matters involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ significantly from these forward-looking statements as discussed in our most recent Form 10-K available on our Web site. This discussion also includes non-GAAP financial measures that the company believes to be useful metrics for investors. A reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the nearest GAAP measure is included at the end of our earnings presentation. I will now turn the call over to Stuart.

Thanks, Jamie. And good afternoon, everyone. I will pick up on Slide 4. As you know, we start every earnings call with a

Thank you, Stuart. And good afternoon, everyone. I'm on Slide 11, covering Q4 performance. As you see, revenues in the quarter were $2.1 billion, that's up 23% versus the prior year and that was driven by growth across both segments and also the LinQuest acquisition we made in late Q3. Adjusted EBITDA was up 21% with margins at 10.7%. Adjusted EPS was $0.91 in the quarter that's up 32% over last year. This exceeded the adjusted EBITDA growth rate despite year-over-year interest headwinds, driven by favorable Q4 tax adjustments that were within our guided range, favorable year-over-year below the line items like mostly FX and a lower share count on repurchases over the past 12 months. On to Slide 12 for the full year. Revenues were strong at $7.7 billion, up 11% versus last year and that's supported by a robust growth across both segments with the additional benefit, of course, of the LinQuest acquisition, which contributed about 2.5 percentage points to the total. Adjusted EBITDA was up 16% with margins increasing 0.5% to 11.2% for the year. This type of positive result, as I always say, starts with excellent program execution and that certainly was the case. Also, as has been the case all year, sustainable tech top line growth of 17% at 20% plus margins is clearly benefiting margins in terms of mix. Adjusted EPS was $3.34, up 15% versus the prior year, generally in line with the adjusted EBITDA increase, offset by higher interest cost. Taxes were largely consistent year-to-year. And as Stuart indicated, revenue and adjusted EBITDA were at the high end of our guidance ranges for the year whereas the adjusted EPS exceeded the top end of our range. Operating cash flows were $462 million for the year with an OCF conversion of 103% to net income. Later in the year, we did make a voluntary payment of $21 million to prefund our 2025 United Kingdom pension obligation. This action was taken in conjunction with seeking a negotiated outcome to enable greater utilization of collateralized cash in the UK going forward with the intention of bumping up our ultimate capital deployment capacity by over $50 million. The prepayment did result in OCF finishing at the low end of our guide for the year, but certainly, we think worthwhile benefits in the long term relative to deployment capacity. On to Slide 13 and our segment performance. I'll first start with Government Solutions, revenues in Q4 increased 20% to $1.6 billion with $150 million in adjusted EBITDA and margins at 9.4%. As you see, all four business units contributed. Defense and intel revenue growth was particularly strong, as you see, up 33% supported by the LinQuest acquisition and also organic growth. Primary drivers here include military space, missile defense and support of advanced technologies, including hypersonics and digital upgrades on various military platforms. International also performed well with an increase of 20% driven by core UK and Australia defense programs and healthy increases in infrastructure work in Australia and the Middle East. As a reminder, the infrastructure area will shift to SDX in 2025 as part of the realignment we discussed in early January. Margins were consistent with last year with normal Q4 seasonality due to lower labor utilization. Book-to-bill in the quarter was 0.9 times. While that isn't unusual for Q4, we'd note significant awards in our favor remain in protests, which hopefully will benefit future quarters. And for the full year, revenues were $5.9 billion, up 10% with adjusted EBITDA of $587 million, also up 10% at a 10% margin, very consistent with last year. On to Slide 14, Sustainable Tech. Within Sustainable Tech Solutions, revenues in the quarter were up 30% with $108 million in adjusted EBITDA and margins at 20.6%. This is quite remarkable given the softness we saw in this market earlier in the year that you might recall. As Stuart suggested earlier, since the summer, demand has increased for our ammonia, energy security and various decarbonization offerings. New projects and on project growth have both contributed significantly. Ammonia technology, program management, consulting services and LNG projects are the main drivers with LNG demand signals particularly picking up after the US election in November. All these same factors drove a strong book-to-bill performance of 1.3 times. And Q4 margins, as has been the case all year, were consistent with our long term targets, 20% plus. For the full year, revenues were $1.9 billion, up 17% with adjusted EBITDA of $398 million, up 18% and at a margin of 21.3%. This marks the third consecutive year sustainable tech has had double digit adjusted EBITDA growth. Book-to-bill for the full year was also a strong 1.1 times. Over to Slide 15 and the balance sheet and capital matters. As Stuart said earlier, we executed a balanced capital deployment plan in 2024, consistent with the course we set at the beginning of the year. We deployed over $1 billion in capital with about 75% of that attributed to the LinQuest acquisition and the rest on returning cash to shareholders primarily through buybacks. With over $1 billion deployed, we ended 2024 with a net leverage of 2.6 times. We expect this leverage ratio to work down as we grow EBITDA in 2025. Now I'd like to provide a little bit of clarity on our capital allocation priorities going forward. Our first priority, as you'd probably expect, is to fund organic growth and also actions to drive operating excellence, that's number one. Number two, we are targeting a leverage ratio below 2.5 times in the current interest rate environment. Growth in EBITDA should get us there quite soon. Our next priority is returning capital to shareholders. Within this, we plan to continue buybacks with bias to do more. Consistent with our growth, we are announcing our Board has approved an increase in full replenishment of our stock buyback authorization to $750 million effective today. We're also committing to maintaining an attractive dividend. As we are tracking to the growth levels consistent with our long term targets, our Board has approved increasing our regular dividend effective this March by 10% to $0.66 per annum or $0.165 per quarter. Since our first increase in the regular dividend in 2020, the average rate of annual dividend increase has been 13%. Finally, we will continue to take a disciplined approach to acquisitions, focused on bolt-ons that have a strong strategic fit, cultural fit, of course, and also attractive financial profile. I'll now turn to Slide 16 and our fiscal 2025 guidance. For fiscal 2025, we're issuing the following. We expect revenue in the range of $8.7 billion to $9.1 billion, representing an increase of 15% at the midpoint. We anticipate adjusted EBITDA of $950 million to $990 million, an increase of 11% at the midpoint. We expect adjusted EPS of $3.71 to $3.95, representing an increase of approximately 15% at the midpoint. And lastly, for operating cash flows, we expect a range of $500 million to $550 million, up 14% at the midpoint. CapEx is expected to be between $50 million and $65 million for the year and our projected effective tax rate is 25% to 27%. Finally, we are expecting phasing of adjusted EPS to be 47% in the first half, 53% in the second half. And with those objectives for 2025, we are certainly progressing well towards the 2027 targets issued in our May 2024 Investor Day. Now our guidance does include key assumptions and I think those are worth highlighting given the current political and economic environment. First, as Stuart said earlier, we believe the types of national security, space and operations programs that we support will continue to be dependent on and demanded by our global customers, including the US government. We are accordingly assuming all material programs we currently support remain in place. If that changes materially, we'll certainly provide an update as appropriate. We believe there is significant probability of a full year continuing resolution for the US government fiscal 2025 but assume funding and tasking, including on-contract growth for mission critical national security operations and modernization programs remains intact. As we have previously communicated, 2025 will be a year in which HomeSafe volumes ramp up considerably. We're assuming HomeSafe continues to ramp but not at the full domestic moves pace for the peak summer season. Our estimated revenue range is $300 million to $500 million for the year. This compares to less than $50 million in 2024, so quite a contributor to growth. We are not contemplating material effects from some of the proposed tariffs. Our current business levels in Mexico, Canada and China are not material. And finally, we're expecting interest rates and foreign exchange rates to remain static from where we are today. So in closing, our plan for 2025 is consistent with the long term targets we set at Investor Day and we do so with confidence, strong growth momentum and a very dedicated global team. With that, I'll turn it back to Stuart.

Thanks, Mark. I'm on Slide 17 with some key takeaways. Firstly, strong fourth quarter and fiscal year 2024 results with double digit growth, margin expansion and book-to-bill of 1.1 times. We delivered on our strategy in fiscal year 2024, as we discussed earlier, to move upmarket and position in areas of differentiation. I think we demonstrated a diversified portfolio and a resilient business model and with more than 60% of our adjusted EBITDA generated from non-US government customers. We are confident in our 2025 outlook with double digit growth at the midpoint across all metrics and entering 2025 with 75% plus work under contract. With that, we are happy to take your questions, and I'll hand the call back to the operator. Thank you.

[Operator Instructions] The first comes from Brent Thielman with D.A. Davidson.

I guess, maybe a question for Mark, just in terms of the initial revenue outlook here for 2025, call it, up $1.1 billion, $1.2 billion at the midpoint. I think I heard you call out $300 million to $500 million from HomeSafe. Did you specify what you anticipated from LinQuest in 2025 and maybe just a little further color in terms of how that integration is going?

So the revenue guide, $8.7 billion to $9.1 billion, represents growth of 15% at the midpoint, we talked about that in the prepared remarks. Of that, you mentioned the HomeSafe number, that's roughly 5 percentage points of the growth. LinQuest is a similar number, it's about inorganic addition of $400 million to the '25 numbers, running very consistently with our original expectations, ballpark $600 million per year. Really performing great. The culture, as we said many times before, couldn't be better. The BD teams are collaborating to really go after new interesting work, some of which we've already won and quite a bit of which is still in the pipeline. And so -- and this is all that good margins as well as we set forth to do. So we couldn't be happier with the status of the team, the integration and how they are contributing to KBR set of capabilities.

And then I guess, my follow-up would just be -- I mean, obviously, a lot of stuff here with Plaquemines, hit some critical milestones here. Just curious how that -- if that is opening up discussions, maybe with others outside of Lake Charles, we're waiting for FID there. But maybe the tempo of discussions beyond that just with the great success and approach you'd had with Plaquemines here?

I think we've talked a little bit in the prepared remarks about the outlook for LNG. I think the world is telling us there's going to be a gap of a couple of hundred million tons of LNG over -- certainly through to 2030 and beyond. So there's a lot of activity. We're seeing a lot of early engagement in the LNG market from multiple customers, some are new market entries, some are older projects that are being revised as a consequence of the new administration's focus on energy security. So I think it's going to be a very buoyant part of our future. We're seeing operators with facilities that are operating today looking at expansions and debottlenecking to produce more LNG as you would expect. So I think it's a very exciting time to be in that market and certainly delivering LNG and sort of -- certainly right up there in terms of record time from FID to first LNG in Plaquemines in a very good position, particularly as we understand currently before us in all the current supply chains and how it works, et cetera. So yes, we're in a good shape there.

The next question comes from Mariana Perez Mora with Bank of America.

Could you mind discussing what are the main drivers when you think about 2025 growth and how you think about international contributing to that?

International was a big context because our -- people think of that on the government side, but it's also the sustainable technology side for us. I think Mark was pretty clear in terms of growth as it relates to LinQuest and as it relates to HomeSafe and we've taken a very balanced view in -- across the rest of the MTS portfolio, particularly with continuing resolutions expected, et cetera. So I think that's prudent and I think it's quite balanced in the way we've approached that. The international government markets, we're seeing increased spending, of course, from governments. There's a lot of noise in Europe as you may have seen from what's happening opposite Ukraine and the increased defense spending in Europe expected as we go forward. But also, we're actually taking this call from Australia, believe it or not, which is what Mariana said depending on [indiscernible] the morning here and we're down visiting our business this year and the government and customers down here. And the market out here is looking very attractive both in the infrastructure and in the government side. And we've got a very high end, digitally enabled business in Australia. So we're expecting pretty good growth going forward in our business over multiple years, in fact, that's what's in the pipeline. So when I look at the Sustainable Tech business, we've talked about LNG as it relates -- I think most people are thinking about the US, but we are seeing increased activity in Middle East and we covered a little bit of that in the prepared remarks but also we're seeing Asia starting to take off as well. But importantly, adopting, I guess, a risk model that suits our appetite, so not your traditional ones on EPC, which I think has proven fully to many companies over and over the years. And of course, we got that many years ago, I think, properly. So that was just stood at a very good stead. But the global south, the growth in energy is -- demand is there. I think Middle East, I think we're seeing increases in Asia. Our Singapore business, for example, is very, very busy. But the Middle East plays an important role, not just in the Middle East and south where we've grown double digit across those main countries in terms of our presence but also the larger projects that are executing in our technical hubs in Houston and Chennai. So it's -- so we're seeing lots of activity outside the US, which is why we wanted to reinforce multiple pathways that we have to hit our growth. There'll be some ups, some downs, I'm sure not everything will be perfect. But I think having those multiple pathways has proven in the past that we're very resilient and that's why we talk about it quite a bit. So I think we're in good shape going forward.

And then if I may follow up on LOGCAP and all the support that you are doing in Europe. How do you think about that like going forward in the next like 12 to 18 months?

I think another good question and one we've looked at internally very closely. We've talked about it before. It's $200 million to $300 million of revenue. It's a low single digit margin. So from a materiality point of view in terms of our EBITDA, it's not significant. In the budget -- or the guidance as we looked into next year, as I said, we've taken a very balanced view across the portfolio and I think prudently so. And so I think the way we think about it is, I mean, the Defense Secretary Hegseth basically said that we know, obviously, it was drawn in the short to medium term but goodness knows what happens. Obviously, the -- we can't really speculate in terms of outcomes. And so I think ultimately we've got quite a lot of confidence in terms of the number we have through '25. And we've got a -- so as a consequence of the balance that we've taken, I think it's fairly appropriate in terms of how we position through the guide for that, Mariana.

And last one, probably to Mark, just as we check HomeSafe. How should we think about EBITDA margins in this current level of contribution?

Or just the EUCOM piece and LOGCAP V that you mentioned or broadly…

Only HomeSafe…

For HomeSafe…

Mariana, I couldn't hear that early. We're far distanced from you right now. Anyway, for HomeSafe, we're in a ramp-up phase and I'm sure we'll talk about that with you in the course of today quite a bit with others. But we're expecting a very cautious amount of profitability in the year of ramp-up due to all the issues you would expect in a major transformational program, and so we're navigating through that well. We're really proud of the team efforts. And so it's really a negligible contribution to the profit for 2025, as expected. And so we see a contribution of all other parts of the business really carrying today. So we'll report that as it comes during the year and that's the status today.

The next question comes from Steven Fisher with UBS.

So I know you guys stepped up the bidding over the past year in the mission technology business. I know you cited the 55% plus increase in bids. Can you just talk about where you are in that process in terms of getting decisions back on those? I wasn't sure if that was what you're referring to in terms of things under protest or is there still a pretty good ramp of awards to come there. I just trying to gauge what sort of the bookings landscape might look like in that business for the next four quarters.

Steve, as we said in our webcast in January and as I said we've been talking about this through the course of '24 realigning our bid teams and our whole business development capability and effort and really upskilling that as we reposition the MTS. And we had a target of increasing bid volume, which we've exceeded in truth and we expect to grow that further into 2025. We have quite a lot under protest, actually that we won under protest, probably close to $1.5 billion and that's going through the typical protest machinations and within the various agencies where we've won that work. So hopefully, that will start to come through in Q1 and maybe into Q2. So that really sets ourselves up as we win with the protest of course. And then we've got $17 billion waiting for award through the course of the next 12 months. So that's really a bid submitted waiting for valuation and award. So we won't speculate on timing, we -- and particularly in this environment. But I think it's a great indicator of the book of business that's in front of us and where we're positioned. But what I would say is that on top of that we're going into this year with 75% of our work under contract. That's a very healthy, healthy number. And secondly, as we alluded to, not alluded to but really talked very clearly, I thought, in the prepared remarks in terms of quite unique contract vehicles that we're utilizing that get to procurements quickly and they are revenue quicker for us, of course, but actually addressing the customers' national security concerns. And we've done extremely well in '24 are in the IAC MACs and we've seen unique contract vehicles that LinQuest product cost being able to be utilized with circa $2 billion that we can fill up on that contract vehicle as we move through '24 and into '25. So very attractive areas where we can actually have very strong performance. And of course the digital lab piece we talked about is really exciting and I think adding on contract growth. So when you add up all those levers, if you like, not to mention, obviously, what happens in Sustainable Technology that's not an international government that's not really constrained by SCR in any way going into the year, so we're 5% under contract with these additional pathways to growth, I think, is terrific.

And then just maybe on HomeSafe, maybe you could give a little more color on how this year has progressed, because it sounded like you're saying things stepped up pretty nicely at the beginning of the year, started to build a little momentum but it sounds like maybe not -- or the change now is that you might not do the full domestic move. So can you talk about what some of the puts and takes are of of what's going right there but yet what at the same time is perhaps holding back the assumptions? I know you said it's sort of a negligible profit impact for this year but just curious to learn a little bit more about kind of what's happening behind the scenes.

So just to give out some context. We put up I think the HomeSafe Alliance press release and their own right recently saying they're taking orders of circa 300, 350 moves a day. I think we logged in almost just under 4,000 in January alone. So that's quite an increase from December. It's probably about a 400% increase actually in December. So you can see the ramp is progressing nicely. And with that, of course, we are taking on service providers and took on an additional 120 and we got well over 500 providers now in the supply chain. But I would just remind everyone, our one month of true performance into a 10 year massive transformation program. So I think it's correct that we think that through in terms of ensuring that we deliver. And I think our focus and objective is really to really improve the performance against the legacy program, which has underperformed in many areas, which is hence the change. And we want to make sure that like all programs, we probably have -- we're not perfect but we want to be. And we're just being very, very sensible about how the ramp goes forward to make sure that operationally, we start to -- really saw improved performance of our own program but also against the legacy programs, and I think that will stand as a good step. So it's more an element of being focused on delivery. It's a 10 year program. As I said, Steve, you don't want to win the battle and lose in war. You want to be very careful about how you actually deliver and make sure you've got -- and I would say, in talking to the new General at Transcom, and I think I can say quite openly that both Transcom and HomeSafe Alliance are 100% committed to the new program. And I think we're starting to see as the ramp has gone up more of the supply chain coming in and being interested, because clearly, this is the way forward. So I think that's -- I think it's sensibly balanced in our guide. And obviously, if we start to go a little bit quicker we'll tell you as we progress the year but better we tell you that than the other way around, I would suggest.

The next question comes from Jerry Revich with Goldman Sachs.

Maybe can you talk about through it the potential risk factors to '25, government solutions guidance if we do see a slowdown in award? So what level of risk should we be thinking about relative to the guide that you folks laid out?

It goes back to what I was talking about earlier. If you actually just take MTS and sort of alone, you're looking at $400 million for LinQuest and then $300 million to $500 million for HomeSafe. And when you -- if you do the math back, you can see that the growth rates are in the low single digits for base business. And I think that's a very considered sensible growth expectation given the uncertainty that -- again, we can't speculate on timing and what DOGE and all these things are going to do. But ultimately, I think that's -- given we've got the international footprint with MTS, I think that's a very balanced element of our guide. So just to give you color. And then you've got SDX, which is growing in line with our long term targets and we're feeling pretty bullish about that. But I think overall, having sort of these multiple pathways that we've talked about numerous times on this call really sets us up nicely and we're pretty confident of our guide. We've been -- in all the years that we've been doing this, we've hit our guidance every year. And when I -- when you start to look at numbers like 15% revenue growth that's probably -- in this environment, probably people are thinking that's quite high. But when you start to break it down because of the additions of what we've got with HomeSafe and with LinQuest then -- and with the excitement what's happening in the energy markets across the world, I think you could see it's a very achievable number.

And then can you talk about the equity income performance in the quarter, which line of business drove the lower equity income and in terms of Plaquemines' earnings contribution that's embedded in the guide in '25, please?

And so for the full year, the numbers were pretty consistent year-over-year but in Q4, you did see a jump down in equity and earnings. And that's for one thing to deliver the margins we did despite the contribution from equity earnings is significant and positive, in my view. There were two things that were happening in the fourth quarter. One was we did have a very accounting centric noncash adjustment on a contingent liability for Ichthys, believe it or not, that's still out there and that was remeasured from a foreign currency exchange downward by $10 million. That particular one we added back in the adjusted EPS but it does show a reduction in equity earnings when you look at just that line item, so that was $10 million. And then there was a similar number actually on the Plaquemines BG project. And so we actually had a scope increase on the project, which is generally a good thing but that did lower our percentage of completion as we had to reset the JV position accordingly. So generally, a good thing and it adds longevity to the project and the income stream from it but took a minor step back in Q4. So those are the reasons. So really not substantive to the outward view of the business and the confidence we have in the guide for '25.

The next question comes from Michael Dudas with Vertical Research.

I hope you didn't go all the way Australia for the Ichthys thing, I didn't think we'd have to hear that name ever again.

Yes, it's too early accounting, Mike. It's not real.

No I understand. Stuart, maybe you could share, with the call we had in January and the realignment of the businesses, what's happened since then? And what's giving you more confidence or some wins or some opportunities that maybe can drive maybe better performance to get that 25% of business into KBR but maybe even lift the outlook for beyond given what you guys have realigned and given some of the tailwinds you have?

So the realignment has -- as we said, as we headed to the end of '24, was done. And I'm pleased to announce that the integration of LinQuest is substantially done as we -- systems and things across that we haven't achieved when we talked in January. So that's kind of behind us now. So the company is realigned into mission tech and sustainable tech with really just the infrastructure piece moving across from the legacy international government into SDX. And I think what we're seeing now is just the realization of synergy opportunities. The cost out exercise that we embarked on, we have achieved that. We took the $30 million of cost out. I know it didn't drop all to the bottom line because of the way that we have these reimbursable contracts in the US, but it's really positioned us nicely for -- to be competitive and -- across our business. And you'll see the reduction in corporate costs as we go forward into next year. So I think that all sets us up nicely. So that's all behind us as well. But I think the main reason we did this was to realign the portfolio's opposite customers and make sure our talent was aligned to provide solutions to those customers. And certainly, the book of business that we've got coming down the pipe is very exciting. And the LinQuest deal has already given us fantastic wins and we're positioned nicely for '25 and beyond across that portfolio, particularly in space force and looking at the broader Air Force portfolio with digital enabled labs and things like that, that we addressed in our opening remarks. But also within Sustainable Tech in the Middle East, the infrastructure portfolio we have there and down in Australia where we do a balance of infrastructure work across defense infrastructure supporting the AUKUS program as well as looking at what's happening in things like water and transport are both going really, really well and very much aligned business model wise and obviously, in countries where we've got very strong SDX presence. So our customer engagement and our brand recognition is really strong, and that's helping. So I think that move has been well received, not [only] by our people. It's been an easy shift. The -- we had one bad day in terms of taking costs out, which I think the team did a fantastic job. So we've had no dislocation as a consequence. And then thirdly, I think the customers are seeing the benefit of the combined capability in the appropriate markets.

My follow-up is for you or for Mark. Looking back to capital allocation, given the dislocation and valuations in the marketplace, maybe you can talk about maybe the acquisition book and maybe as you think about your targets on net leverage and cash flows and timing is, I assume that share repurchase, there's how to go dry powder and a desire to take advantage of that?

You picked up the early remarks quite clearly. And so while there's always an eye for M&A, I think I was pretty clear that in light of where we are with our outlook, which is very healthy and resilient, as Stuart said many times, and where we are with the valuation, we have a bias to do more buybacks. And with that, our Board did authorize a substantial increase in the authorization. And because we can naturally lever down from 2.6 to maybe 2.1, 2.2 by year end just with EBITDA growth, there's really no need to use cash to pay down debt and achieve our targets. So we expect to do buybacks when we can, as the window opens with the capital we have, the cash flow outlook we have for the year and a little bit of excess cash on the balance sheet sitting here as we closed out 2024. So we're certainly bullish on that use of capital going forward in this environment.

The next question comes from Andy Kaplowitz with Citigroup.

Just a little more color on SDX. Can you maybe color where the demand for ammonia is coming from, because it doesn't seem like it would be from ag projects right now. Maybe a similar question for energy security and decarbonization. I think we get the LNG potential pickup, but where are the other pockets of growth? And I know, Stuart, you mentioned Middle East spend. So maybe that's a lot of it. But just I'm trying to think about durability of the demand environment on the SDX side.

Yes, we do have durability in the SDX piece, I would say. You're right, we've got the LNG market, which I think, as you said, everyone really understands and understands the supply demand dynamics there and what's happening in the US. But I think in the broader energy security market, we're seeing continued activity. We've seen lots happening in the US also around energy security and in Trinidad and obviously across the Middle East, as you rightly picked up on as they tried to only diversify their economies but really sort of exploit gas in a meaningful way. I think gas becoming the transition fuel as we -- as the energy transition piece moves to the right because of affordability challenges. In terms of ammonia, I think that's very much a national play. We reinforced the national operational focus we have and the country focus that really has allowed us to be very sort of tailored in what's right for the individual countries and the customers within those. I think we talked about places like Kazakhstan and Angola in the global marketplace. And when you're looking at places like Angola, the government have provided very, very attractive prices for gas into the ammonia facilities that makes it highly competitive. And I think that will be the first of the many trains there assuming that dynamic continues. And in Kazakhstan, that's the first sort of major investment into fertilizers there for probably in multiple decades. So it's not -- it's typical in different country dynamics that drive the economics of these projects. And that's why it's extremely important whether they're sort of global business with a strong footprint and -- across the globe from a business development and an execution capability perspective, which we have. So I think dynamics are different and -- but I think the very global nature, I'll go back to my comments again about these multiple pathways to growth. And we've got a portfolio of 70 plus technologies, as you know, it's not just ammonia and they'll go up and down as companies decide what they want to do with their various resources.

And then maybe just back to MTS, like in Q4, revenue was quite high. I think a lot of that was LinQuest obviously. But did you see any sort of like spending flush or something like that before the new administration took hold? And as we think about bookings for you guys, obviously, timing is all -- can always be lumpy. But should we think that bookings might be a little slower for a quarter or two before they pick up or how do you think about -- have you seen any DOGE impact so far or do you expect to see any?

So on DOGE, we have not seen impact at all, yet. In terms of timing of awards going into next year, we would think they're probably slower just the continuing resolution and the -- what's happening within the administration, and we just won't speculate on that. But we do have, as we said, $1.5 billion that's under protest. And that could come through in the first half of the year, which would obviously make bookings probably reasonably strong in Q1, Q2, depending on the timing of the resolution of those protests. So that's kind of where we sit on that. I think SDX bookings will be progressive through the year as we've seen in prior years and international government similarly…

And I'd say, Andy, that I think we did have a little bit of pickup in tasking, that's not too common in the fourth quarter with the new CR in place. But because of the administration change and maybe dynamics about upcoming slowness with some of the DOGE rhetoric and so forth, there might have been a little bit of a push to get things done in the tasking area in the fourth quarter. We had a couple of extra productive days in the fourth quarter as well. So that helped a little bit. I will just further endorse what Stuart said about we haven't seen a direct impact of the pace. We haven't seen any adverse collections issues out of the government thus far. So we'll see how that goes but we're seeing status quo at this point in time.

The following comes from Sangita Jain with KeyBanc.

So if I can ask one on HomeSafe. So [Technical Difficulty] pushed out and can you pancake them as they move forward?

Sangita, we apologize but that cut out for us here. Could you repeat the question, if you don't mind?

Let's see if this works. But I was going to ask about the HomeSafe ramp. If the domestic ramp is taking a little bit longer, can you still pancake the international ramp on top of that as the domestic ramps get to the full run rate?

Our view in talking with the customer is that these will occur sequentially. And so if domestic pushes out a bit then that could have a carryover effect to international. So we don't see a scenario today where international will accelerate in light of a change in pace in domestic. It's sequential.

And then a quick one on Mura. Really appreciate the updates that you guys provided. How should we think about the P&L impact as these additional plants start operations?

So the way to think about this is it's one of our multiple pathways to achieving our growth targets that we've given in our guide. I think it's a very exciting development and we'll give more updates as we get into true operational performance. And obviously I'm from Australia and I'm actually going to Japan, so I'll get more info on the Mitsubishi facility and -- when I'm there but it's exciting. We've talked a number of times about the number of licenses and the number of projects, they're waiting for commercial operations to be declared and certainly heading that way. So it's just another example, Sangita, of the pathways that we -- one of the multiple pathways we have to achieve our targets and it's exciting.

And I'll just add that Mura is very similar to our other offerings in SDX, in case this is not well known but with a kicker, because in the case of Mura, we have exclusive licensing rights, so there's licensing opportunities. There's also proprietary equipment opportunity with clients that choose to work with us on the industrialization of their plans, leveraging that technology at the front end. There are service offerings like PMC that we can offer to plants under construction. And as we've said, we have partial ownership in Mura. And so in the future as they become profitable, which is certainly the intention that we participate in that respect as well. So there's multiple economic paths in this…

Just to give more color on that. We took the original sort of what they call stick-build design and we've put the whole facility into a module that can be fabricated in a yard, which means safer, it's quicker, but it's more controllable as of schedule and cost for that matter. But that really resell as part of our proprietary equipments offering, so really extending the scope for KBR in future endeavors. And that was what was implied on the LG Chem facility, which is probably going to be built and go operationally a year quicker than a stick-build facility than what was really being built in the UK. So I think we've proven out that thesis. So it's a very exciting part of our future.

Thank you. There are currently no other questions queued. I will pass it over to Stuart Bradie for final remarks.

Thank you very much. So in closing today, we're very excited about the path with KBR in 2025 and beyond, of course. We are confident in our ability to continue creating value for our shareholders. And to that end, I'll leave you with a few key takeaways. So we have completed a multiyear transformation, becoming a leading provider of differentiated innovative upmarket science, technology and engineering solutions with large scale and importantly global reach. We serve diverse, attractive end markets aligned with strong secular growth trends. And we have top talent combining deep domain expertise, proprietary technologies and an unwavering focus on execution with a specialization in complex mission critical work. We're excellent partners where we try to be. We're operating in dynamic teams to solve our customers' most complex challenges and you've seen that quarter in and quarter our. And this has resulted in recurring long term engagements and over $21 billion of backlog and options and importantly, 75% plus work under contract going into 2025. Diversification of low capital intensity and our disciplined capital allocation generated stable, predictable cash flows and long term shareholder returns and we have growth and margin expansions plans in flight. So thank you again for joining us. Thank you again for your interest in KBR and we look forward to updating you again next quarter. Thank you.