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Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Qurate Retail, Inc. 2022 Q2 Earnings Call. During the presentation, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Afterwards, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded, August 5. I would now like to turn the conference over to Courtnee Chun, Chief Portfolio Officer. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Before we begin, we'd like to remind everyone that this call includes certain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual events or results could differ materially due to a number of risks and uncertainties, including those which and in the most recent 10-K filed by our company and QVC with the SEC. These forward-looking statements speak only as of the date of this call, and Qurate Retail expressly disclaims any obligation or undertaking to disseminate any updates or revisions to any forward-looking statement contained herein to reflect any change in Qurate Retail's expectations with regard thereto or any change in events, conditions or circumstances on which any such statement is based. Please note that we have published slides to accompany the earnings release. . On today's call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted OIBDA, adjusted OIBDA margin, free cash flow and constant currency. Information regarding the comparable GAAP metrics, along with required definitions and reconciliations, including preliminary note and Schedules 1 through 4, can be found in the earnings press release issued today or our earnings presentation, which are available on our website. Today, speaking on the earnings call, we have Qurate Retail President and CEO, David Rawlinson; Qurate Retail Group CFO, Jeff Davis; and Qurate Retail Executive Chairman, Greg Maffei. Now I'll hand the call over to David.

Thank you, Courtnee, and good morning to everyone. Thank you for joining us today and for your interest in Qurate Retail. We are continuing to experience the weakness in the macro environment that is affecting all of retail as well as some particular issues that uniquely impact our business model. We are also gaining a better understanding of the many ways that the Rocky Mount fire affected our operations and are working our way through those issues. . Total company revenue declined 13% in constant currency in Q2. Macro headwinds of inflation, the war in Ukraine and rising interest rates impacted consumer sentiment. Supply chain challenges and the downstream impacts from the Rocky Mount fire continued to force us to change planned product offerings on short notice and affected the availability of quality merchandise and our operational efficiency. In the U.S., QVC and HSN shifted approximately 75% and 60% of their Today's Special Values, or TSVs; and Today's Specials, or TSs, respectively. Our TSVs and TSs are the driver of engagement around which the day's programming is built. So changes at short notice have an outsized effect. Given the supply chain and Rocky Mount challenges, our order to delivery times were elongated, which does impact our customer satisfaction, although those challenges are moderating. Total company adjusted OIBDA declined 38% in constant currency at Q2 primarily reflecting lower unit volume. This pressure was heightened by cost inflation for freight, labor and marketing as well as our inventory reduction actions. The simple truth is that we have been experiencing cost deleverage in an inflationary environment, and they're just now able to start to push the counter some of the deleverage. Jeff will discuss each of our four businesses in more detail shortly. While it will take time to show up in the numbers, I do want to talk about four key developments that demonstrate the progress of our turnaround. First, at our June investor event, we unveiled Project Athens, a three-year plan to establish revenue stability, OIBDA margin expansion and incremental free cash flow generation. We established fiscal 2022 as our base year, where we set the foundation for top and bottom line progress through 2024 while navigating the current challenging environment. We are already starting to make progress here, which I will discuss in more detail shortly. Second, we have very substantially augmented our executive staff and talent with the addition of a President of our Streaming business and a Chief Merchandise Officer for QVC U.S. We will have more to say about these additions at Liberty's Investor Day in November. These hires further validate our business model as the leader in human-centric retail and show that our story is attracting top talent. Third, our free cash flow improved materially from Q1's use of $244 million to positive free cash flow of $107 million. We reduced debt and leverage ratio as well. Operating cash flow increased $300 million sequentially from a use of $179 million in Q1 to a positive $121 million in Q2 driven primarily by working capital improvements. These gains were bolstered by certain discrete items that Jeff will discuss in more detail. Fourth, as I look at our Q2 performance, we see some initial signs of stabilization at QxH. The rate of revenue decline moderated within the quarter. We also saw the rate of decline in our customer count stabilize compared to Q1. Clearly, we have much work to do, and we do not anticipate our recovery will be a straight line, but the early signs of declines in the rate of revenue decline are encouraging, particularly considering the challenging macro environment. We are making early progress at correcting executional weaknesses throughout the organization and have started to implement several initiatives laid out in Project Athens. We've started to see some tangible progress and are confident in our go-forward strategy for Qurate to create engaging and deeply personalized shopping experiences for our customers while enhancing returns for our shareholders. Let me now provide a progress update on the five pillars of Project Athens. I'll start with Pillar 1, which is to improve customer experience and grow relationships. In Q2, QVC and HSN customers remain engaged as average daily reach and total minutes views increased year-over-year and sequentially from Q1. Our reach and attention are as strong as ever, evidence of our powerful and unique retail assets, reengaging with our incredibly loyal and powerful customer base is key to our success. QxH customer count declined to 9.5 million for the last 12 months ending June 30. As detailed on Slide 8, we experienced a meaningful increase in customer count during the pandemic. Compared with the pre-pandemic period, June 2019, 75% of the customer count decline is attributable to new and reactivated customers. Those reductions are primarily due to low product availability in categories such as consumer electronics and home subcategories that are highly correlated with new customer acquisition. The pressure in these cohorts was also due to marketing cost inflation and reduced marketing efficiency. Our existing customer cohorts look strong across a number of metrics, including frequency of purchases, viewership and spend per customer. When we introduced Athens, we said that we had underserved our best customers. In April, we began making proactive outbound calls to our top-tier customers to reinforce their importance to us and gain their perspective on how we can better serve them. In June, we celebrated QVC's 36th birthday by providing 10,000 of our top customers with a $20 account credit, valid during our birthday week. At HSN, April was customer appreciation month and featured weekly VIP savings for our HSN cardholders. And in July, we celebrated HSN's 45th anniversary with a new simpler exchange policy. We've started to improve personalization efforts as well. We installed a new recommendation engine on our web, mobile web and in our apps to improve the level of personalized product suggestions. At QVC, we launched our first trigger push notifications in June, which sends a tailorized, personalized notification through our push messaging based on a user's activity on our app. And finally, we were on semi-personalized campaigns on our website to drive urgency and impulse. We sent messages to people who added an item to their cart that the TSV price would end that day, and as a result, we experienced a low to mid-single-digit increase in conversion in June. We also expanded the customer relationships by capitalizing on our newly signed Ion distribution agreement, which reaches 15 million additional homes. Moving to Pillar 2, which is to rigorously execute core processes. With respect to pricing, we had multiple pricing tiers between sale and TSV pricing, which confuse customers. As a result, the customer's value perception of the TSV and TS was eroded. In July, we began putting that today and the special back in the TSV and TS by shortening their availability to only one day and offering our best price driving a greater sense of urgency. We are reclaiming that deal feeling by establishing and communicating clear rules so our customers know our TSV and TSs are the best price. In support of our strategy, we will also be adjusting our programming with new host and the return of guests to our studios in Q3. We are also actively working to freshen our assortment. In Q2, we demonstrated the ability to expand our assortment by leveraging our in-house capabilities and intellectual property, adding third-party brands and developing brands with celebrity talent. We added new brands at QVC that performed well, including Studio Park, Lands' End, Sport Savvy and Encore by Idina Menzel. We also benefited from expanding Kim Gravel in the swimwear and beauty. We are excited to announce a new agreement with Fanatics, which will start on HSN with plans to expand to QVC U.S. as well. This agreement provides us access to a broad selection of merchandise from Fanatics across sports, styles and sizes on a drop-ship basis. 1/3 of the merchandise Fanatics provides us will be exclusive to HSN and QVC over a five-year period, and we will have two Fanatics TSs or TSVs per year. Why is Fanatics interested in working with our female-focused brands? Because their customer base is remarkably diverse. They have the industry's best selection of products for women and because we have historically had an extraordinarily strong sports business around unique events like the Super Bowl, where mom often seeks to outfit the whole family. Pillar 3 is to lower the cost to serve. Project Athens is a transformational program designed to improve gross and operating margins and cash generation. We identified multiple avenues to generate hundreds of millions of dollars in net adjusted OIBDA dollars over the next two to three years. Many of these programs are already underway, and others will be implemented in the second half of the year. We expect to see the impact of these efforts flow through in 2023 and pick up momentum in 2024. We have taken a series of actions to optimize our balance sheet and improve liquidity. In June, we completed a cash tender offer for over 70% of our 2023 senior notes. We financed the tender offer with cash on hand and capacity under QVC's senior secured revolving credit facility, an efficient funding source given the dislocation we've seen in the bond markets. Project Athens is a three-year plan and includes strategic initiatives to improve our balance sheet leverage and cash flow to make long-term decisions in the best interest of the company and our shareholders. In June and July, we entered into several sale-leaseback agreements for real estate assets, including our Studio Park corporate headquarters and broadcast studios as well as our fulfillment centers in Ontario, California; Piney Flats, Tennessee; Florence, South Carolina; and Suffolk, Virginia. We raised after-tax proceeds of approximately $685 million and entered into long-term operating leases at attractive rates that will continue to serve our needs while maintaining operational flexibility. We reduced debt with the proceeds from the sale leasebacks. As we previously communicated, we made the decision not to rebuild our Rocky Mount fulfillment center. We are now redesigning our next-generation network that will satisfy consumer expectations, leveraging a node-based delivery system with more balanced geographic dispersion and adding 3PL fulfillment capacity. We expect our end-state network will be more efficient and less expensive to operate while also delivering on the improvements we need to see on our customer ship times. Over the next 24 to 36 months, we expect to materially reduce order to delivery times at full execution. Our objective is for more than 90% of orders to be delivered in five days in the vast majority and three days or less. Importantly, we intend to use insurance proceeds from Rocky Mount towards funding our ongoing fulfillment center network optimization. Pillar 4 is to optimize our brand portfolio. As we stated, the best way we can create value in the short term from our broader portfolio is to return

Thank you, David, and good morning, everyone. Unless otherwise noted, my comments compare financial performance for the three months ended June 30, 2022, to the same period in 2021. Starting with QxH. Revenue declined 12% primarily on 9% lower unit volume. Overall, customer counts declined, reflecting macro factors, supply chain disruptions and downstream impacts from the Rocky Mount fire. Although total customer count declined, QxH experienced a 5% increase in average spend per customer and an 8% increase in items purchased. eCommerce revenue declined 12%, in line with overall revenue performance. As shown on Slide 6, we continue to experience a shift in category mix primarily into apparel and continued reduction in electronics. Apparel declined only 1% against the 19% growth in Q2 2021, which shows strong results on a two-year basis. The Q2 performance reflects our strategy to lean into our top brands that resonate with our best customers and deemphasize those that have not. We experienced gains in top brands, such as Susan Graver, Kim Gravel, Candace Cameron Bure, Diane Gilman and Iman. We've also expanded into swimwear, a white space opportunity. These actions are consistent with Project Athens priorities to better serve our most loyal customers and freshen our assortments. Beauty declined 14% primarily due to the weakness in Bath, body and hair care partially offset by gains in skin care. Beauty is notably a strong category with new and reactivated customers. This quarter, a meaningful percentage of our sales decline was attributable to new, reactivated and onetime occasional customers. Supply chain constraints also affected the category's performance as we continue to rebuild our inventory that was destroyed in the fire at Rocky Mount. In addition, sales were impacted by major transitions of brand ownership and on-air guests at two large brands. Accessories declined 11% against an 11% growth in Q2 2021. The year-over-year decline was primarily due to lower demand for leather handbags, intimates and casual footwear. Home revenue declined 12% with lower demand primarily and garden fitness and wellness, kitchen electronics -- electrics and floor care, which was partially offset by gains in food and cookware. Electronics revenue declined 33%. Challenges were primarily in computers, home office, smart home and tablets, all subcategories that were particularly strong during the pandemic and especially with new customers and have been pressured by product availability issues. Adjusted OIBDA declined 41% and adjusted OIBDA margin decreased 650 basis points. Looking at the main components of the margin compression. Gross margin declined approximately 370 basis points, reflecting product margin gains, which were offset by unfavorable fulfillment expenses and inventory obsolescence. Product margins increased primarily due to higher margin category mix into apparel and pricing actions on proprietary products, which were principally offset by our inventory clearance actions and inbound transportation cost inflation. Fulfillment expenses reflect higher freight rates, wages and fuel costs, capacity and operational inefficiencies and sales deleverage. These headwinds are partially offset by savings from network optimization in which we decommissioned our Lancaster, PA and Roanoke, Virginia fulfillment centers in the second half of 2021. And then the last component was inventory obsolescence, which increased primarily due to prior year favorable provision adjustments and a higher current year reserve. Operating expenses were favorable -- or excuse me, unfavorable. So operating expenses were unfavorable 55 basis points, primarily due to commissions and customer service. Commissions were primarily due to a higher mix of sales in the commissionable window and expanded distribution, including the launch of Ion. I'd note that these new distribution agreements are expensed and are not capitalized given the payment terms. Customer service reflected sales deleverage and increased wage rates. SG&A was unfavorable approximately 220 basis points while fixed costs were unfavorable primarily due to sales deleverage. Bad debt pressure reflects comping a prior year favorable reserve release and an increased current year provision reflecting modestly higher payment installments and customer delinquency. However, bad debt as a percent of net revenue was only approximately 1% and remained about 25 basis points favorable to our pre-pandemic period. Marketing reflects cost inflation and lower efficiency of our marketing spend. Let me provide an update on the fire-related costs and insurance recoveries from our former Rocky Mount, North Carolina fulfillment center. In Q4 2021 through the first 6 months of this year ended June 30, 2022, we recorded $385 million of fire-related costs including approximately $95 million of inventory write-downs. We estimate that $266 million of the total costs are probable for insurance recovery. As of June 30, 2022, we have received $200 million in insurance proceeds, and the remaining $66 million was recorded as an accounts receivable. At the end of the quarter -- after the end of the quarter, we received another $50 million of insurance proceeds, bringing the total insurance proceeds received to $250 million. Moving to QVC International. My comments will focus on constant currency results. Revenue declined 8% primarily on lower unit volume and higher customer returns. Our European business declined 14% and experienced cautious consumer sentiment from historic inflation and the ongoing war in Ukraine as well as supply chain and product scarcity challenges. QVC Japan was less impacted by these factors and grew 2% in Q2. Customer count declined essentially in line with revenue, and eCommerce revenue decreased 2% and penetration increased 15 basis points. Our QVC International experienced declines in all categories except apparel, which increased 5%. Adjusted OIBDA decreased 24% and adjusted OIBDA margin declined 330 basis points. The primary factor for the margin compression was lower gross margin followed to a lesser extent by margin pressure from SG&A and operating expenses. Looking at gross margin, which declined 270 basis points, primarily due to lower product margins and higher fulfillment costs. Product margins declined reflecting lower initial margin from inventory clearance actions, unfavorable returns and lower shipping and handling revenue due to reduced unit volume. Fulfillment costs reflect sales deleverage and higher labor costs caused by COVID-related staffing issues as well as higher freight rates in European markets. Operating expenses were unfavorable primarily due to sales deleverage. TV commissions and customer service costs were lower than last year. SG&A was unfavorable due to higher fixed costs and marketing expenses partially offset by reduced customer management -- excuse me, management incentive compensation accruals. Moving to Cornerstone. Revenue grew 4% with record performance at each of its brands driven by demand for bath, case goods, dining and kitchen and home furniture at its Home brands and for apparel and home textiles at Garnet Hill. eCommerce increased 5% and penetration rose 50 basis points. Adjusted OIBDA decreased 15% primarily due to higher inbound transportation costs and detention and demurrage fees for storage and handling and were partially offset by positive initial margin gains. Looking at

Thanks, Jeff. I want to touch briefly on the aforementioned sale-leaseback transaction, which we view as very positive. As you'd note, we received cash proceeds that calculated about a pretax multiple of cash of approximately 17x and even higher on an after-tax basis given the basis in the assets compared to deductibility of the interest. This is a substantial premium relative not only to our current multiple but even to our historic high multiples. And we view it as an attractive source of financing capitalized on a relatively hot real estate market while importantly maintaining QVC's operational flexibility for its distribution and fulfillment centers. Our liquidity position was meaningfully improved by these transactions as well as QVC's working capital improvements during the quarter. And I feel good about the important actions being taken on working capital and inventory levels, which is an important source of future capital. Net, we reduced QVC's leverage to 2.3x at quarter end, as Jeff mentioned, and this provides additional headroom for QVC under both its bank credit facility, bond indentures and preferred. We now have ample cushion under both covenants even more so after additional sales leaseback transactions which were completed in July. And this fortified balance sheet forms a solid foundation for which David and the team can execute on the 5 pillars of Project Athens. Just one more note, our Annual Investor Day will be Thursday, November 17, in New York. Please save the date. Additional details will be provided soon. We hope to see you -- many of you there. And with that, operator, we'll open it up for Q&A.

[Operator Instructions] We'll begin with Jason Haas, Bank of America.

So David, you mentioned that you saw a moderation in the revenue decline through the quarter. So I'm curious if you could provide a little bit more color on what you think is driving that. I'm curious if that was a reflection of the supply chain improving, any of the work you've done to mitigate the disruption from Rocky Mount. Just curious you provide any more color on if that's continued quarter-to-date as well.

Yes. Thank you, Jason. I appreciate the question. I really think it's a combination of things. I think some of the execution changes we've made in the business that I tried to detail a bit in my script helped. I think we're executing better today than we were six months ago, especially just nailing our core value proposition, and I think that's helped to put a bit of a floor under the business. I think some of the things we've done in terms of new brands and attractiveness have also helped. We're also continuing to see our core customer and our best customers show up even down -- even though we were down slightly in count, what we saw in terms of frequency of purchases were very strong. And actually, what we saw in terms of average purchase was up about 70 -- 7%, up to about $3,600. That's the highest number we've seen in the last four years. And so our best customers, I think, are really still right there and showing up. Our viewing numbers are still growing and strong. I also think we're frankly up against some softer compares. Now we're coming off of some really hard compares. So that also helps. Finally, I would say we're starting to get back to or at least starting to work through some of the issues we've had at Rocky Mount as we get into some of the inventory that was damaged or stored. And as we clear that, we're being able to bring things to our programming and a slightly more real-time way as we gain some of the flexibility in the model back. So I think it's attributable to the improvement sort of top to bottom. All of that said, it's still a very challenging environment. These are improvements from a relatively disappointing starting point. And I would say they're incremental improvements. We're still a long way from where we want to be, to be a growing business in QxH.

That's great to hear. And then as a follow-up, at your recent investor event, you laid out some long-term guidance, including flat revenue growth for 2023 and double-digit OIBDA growth. So I'm curious if that still holds, if you could talk about what the drivers of that will be. What gives you confidence that you'll be able to get to flat revenues and then drive that double-digit expansion or growth for OIBDA?

Yes. That's great. I think we talked about stability in revenue and double-digit annual CAGRs and OIBDA. We still feel very good about that. And it really is executing off of all of the pillars we talked about. We talked about the balance sheet a lot today because we need to have the balance sheet, liquidity, cash flow position to be able to execute on our plan. But also, Project Athens is a rigorous, detailed plan revisiting almost every part of the business. We are now going into a period of planning and implementation where we will have the initiatives down to the person and accountability level over the course of hundreds of initiatives. And so there's a great deal of execution and a great deal of detail that goes into what we predicted at the investor event in terms of especially the OIBDA and the free cash flow growth in the business. And we think -- we continue to see that opportunity. We continue to be encouraged by the early signs we have from implementing some of the initiatives -- and I would also say part of Project Athens was, of course, the growth initiatives in the video commerce venture space, and we continue to see really strong growth from a low base but really strong growth in that space as well. So I think we are as confident, if not more confident about that road map as we were at the investor event.

Now we'll move to a question from Oliver Wintermantel with Evercore.

I had a question regarding the sale and leaseback, the progress there. Congratulations on all the executed deals there. Just wondered where we are in that process, how much more is there to go, and how much could that be worth in dollars.

Well, I'll -- this is Greg. I'll start, and then I'll let Ben and David comment. We think they were also very good transactions. Thank you. And these actions taken up until June strengthen the balance sheet capacity and resulted in more than $2.5 billion liquidity between our cash and borrowing capacity on the revolver. It also gave us close to $1.5 billion of restricted payments capacity to support parent level needs, including debt and the preferred. So important things to ensure a very strong balance sheet. Ben, maybe you want to comment on any further progress?

Yes, sure. And just to note, the numbers that Greg mentioned were based on the actions in June, the transactions in July will add even more balance sheet convert. Look, I'll let David respond as well. But we will continue to focus on neutral to positive operational impacts of any of these transactions, but we have a large global real estate portfolio, that market or that capital market continues to be very favorable, and I would expect us to look at additional opportunities.

Yes. I think that I wouldn't add anything except that we feel very good about the way the sale leaseback positions us to operate and to optimize our operations going forward, and everything here operationally is consistent with what we're trying to achieve with Project Athens.

Now we will hear from Carla Casella with JPMorgan.

Just curious, have you said what amount of square footage was sold with those facilities and how much owned square footage you have remaining?

We have not said anything publicly about that.

Okay. And then on the -- just a covenant question. So are sale leasebacks included in your debt levels? Or are those excluded from your covenant calculations?

The lease liability that will be recognized on a consolidated basis is not debt for purposes of the QVC bond indenture or the QVC credit facility.

Okay. Great. And then as you commented in the press release about the Liberty Interactive, I guess, is an asset that you put on the balance sheet for a contingent asset. Can you just explain more what's going on with that and kind of timing of that potential release of the indemnification asset?

Talk about that indemnification agreement with broadband.

Oh, sorry, yes. So we have -- Qurate has a exchangeable that's due in 2023 -- or sorry, not due in '23, it has a put and a call date in 2023. As part of the real transaction that sent Charter shares out of Qurate, there was an indemnification. So to the extent that the value of that security, the market value or the parity value of that security is above face value, there's an indemnification where if someone were to voluntarily convert, we would notify Liberty Broadband and Liberty Broadband would provide cash for that incremental value above the face. And QVC -- or sorry, Qurate would be responsible for the face value only. And just to remind everyone, Qurate received as part of that M&A transaction cash equal to the face value at the time.

Okay. Great. So something could happen on that if it does, it depends on the holder and it's between now and October.

Yes. Anytime between now and October, to the extent somebody voluntarily converted, the value above the face value would be the responsibility of Liberty Broadband.

Okay. Great. And the face value of your responsibility...

Until 2023.

Okay. And the face value of the responsibility of Qurate. And your debt, restricted payments from QVC permit payments of Qurate debt? Or is it just permits payments for Qurate and Liberty Interactive interest?

So all of the credit facility and the QVC bond indentures carve out or do not include as a restricted payment debt service, which is interest and principal payments. So there's no restrictions on our ability to send money out as long as we have cash or the ability to borrow it.

Okay. Great. Super helpful. There's one more debt question. On the preferred debt coupon, that's cash pay. Is there an opportunity to pick that if you wanted to?

It is not a voluntary instrument. We could miss the cash payment, and then there are penalties that accrue, but that is a cash pay instrument. We intend to pay it. And I think what we're trying to say is, we have substantial flexibility to fund those payments.

And we will take our final question today from William Reuter with Bank of America.

My first question is, it seems, when you guys were mentioning all the challenges you were talking about the global supply chain, then the challenges in North Carolina at that facility and then demand is a challenge, thinking about when you will have, for example, the Rocky Mount facility, that volume shifted to other facilities more successfully, when could we start to see improvement in each of those three areas? I understand the demand is something you don't have a sense for, but I'm trying to get a sense for the two that maybe you do have some visibility into global supply chain and then the facility in North Carolina.

I'll let Jeff follow, but on the global supply chain, I'm not sure we have better visibility than the market at large. What I would say is the global supply chain is still troubled. But I would say it's incrementally more manageable than it was, say, three to six months ago. And I think it's incrementally more predictable than it was three to six months ago. And we've certainly seen the costs stabilize. They haven't always come down substantially, but we're not seeing the same type of rate increases. And so I think the pressure is alleviating slowly, and I imagine that'll continue to be the case throughout the end of this year. And to the early part of next year, that will continue to be disturbed but getting better incrementally. In terms of Rocky Mount, I'd say it's much the same. I think we've started making significant progress in stabilizing our fulfillment center, both storage and delivery capacity. I think we -- on things like order to delivery times. I think we've seen the worst of the increase in our order to delivery times. Those numbers are now starting to get back to normal, although they are not quite at normal in terms of our delivery expectations yet. The amount of stored inventory is starting to come down slowly. You can see that a little bit in our quarter-over-quarter inventory numbers as those started to inch down. And so I think we're -- I think we're going to be working through Rocky Mount, again, through the end of this year or maybe into the beginning of next year. But I would say, I think we've started making substantial progress in getting to a normal operating posture.

Okay. And then in terms of the reduction in inventory, when you look at the amount of inventory you have in total and then kind of thinking about a more normalized level, over the next year, what type of an inventory reduction do you think we might be expected to see?

As part of Project Athens, we had stated that we were going to reduce our inventories by 20% to 30% over the next 18 months. So that would take you through 2023. We're making some good progress against that, as David had mentioned already, with the actions that we're taking with respect to some of the sale and clearance actions as well as one of the things that we didn't have a chance to share as much around as other avenues for us to use such as

Yes, hopefully, not a revenue reduction. Okay. And just lastly for me. You declined on Carla's question around the amount of square footage remaining. I assume you may decline this as well to respond. But in terms of the value of remaining either real estate or other assets that you could monetize if you were to choose to, is there any kind of ballpark numbers you could give us?

I think you accurately guessed our answer. You were very -- you were forward-looking there and thoughtful.

But thank you for the questions. And thank you to the listening audience. With that, I think we are complete. Again, thank you for your interest in Qurate Retail, and we look forward to speaking with you next quarter, if not sooner, and seeing you -- many of you in November.

Thank you

Thanks, everyone.