Eos Energy Enterprises, Inc.

Eos Energy Enterprises, Inc.

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Eos Energy Enterprises, Inc. designs, manufactures, and deploys battery storage solutions for utility, commercial and industrial, and renewable energy markets in the United States. It offers stationary battery storage solutions. The company's flagship product is the Eos Znyth DC battery system designed to meet the requirements of the grid-scale energy storage market. Eos Energy Enterprises, Inc. was founded in 2008 and is headquartered in Edison, New Jersey.

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Market Cap$2.14B
EPS-6.6900
P/E Ratio-1.23
Earnings Date07/29/2026

Earnings Call Transcript

EOSE โ€ข 2024 โ€ข Q4

Operator
Good morning, and welcome to the Eos Energy Enterprise Fourth Quarter 2024 Conference Call. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded, and your participation implies consent to such recording. [Operator Instructions] With that, I would like to turn the call over to Liz Higley, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Liz Higley
Good morning, everyone, and welcome to EOS' fourth quarter and full year 2024 conference call. Today, I'm joined by EOS' CEO, Joe Mastrangelo and newly appointed Chief Commercial Officer, Nathan Kroeker. This call, including the q&a portion of the call, may include forward-looking statements, including but not limited to current expectations with respect to future results and outlook for our company. Should any of these risks materialize or should our assumptions prove to be incorrect, our actual results may differ materially from our expectation or those implied by these forward-looking statements. The risks and uncertainties that forward looking statements are subject to are described in our SEC filings. Forward-looking statements represent our beliefs and assumptions only as of date such statements are made. We undertake no obligation to update any forward looking statements made during this call to reflect events or circumstances after today or to reflect new information or the occurrence of unanticipated events except as required by law. Today's remarks will also include references to non-GAAP financial measures. Additional information, reconciliation between non-GAAP financial information to US GAAP financial information is provided in the press release. Non-GAAP information should be considered as supplemental in nature and is not meant to be considered in isolation or as a substitute for the related financial information prepared in accordance with GAAP. In addition, our non-GAAP financial measures may not be the same as or comparable to similar non-GAAP measures presented by other companies. This conference call will be available for replay via webcast through EOS' Investor Relations website at investors.eosc.com. Joe and Nathan will walk you through our business highlights and financial results before we proceed to q&a. With that, I'll now turn the call over to EOS' CEO, Joe Mastrangelo.
Joe Mastrangelo
Thanks, Liz, and welcome, everyone, to the total year 2024 earnings call for EOS. Strong year by the team. I think you got to look inside of the numbers here to see the performance and continuing to position EOS for the long-term in the long duration energy storage market. As we saw, we hit our revised guidance that we came out with at the end of last year. The team continues to execute. As we look at the operating highlights on page 4, continue to see a strong commercial pipeline, specifically around long duration energy storage. Our pipeline is becoming more vibrant, in my view, and really positioning to where EOS wins in the marketplace. Continues to grow. We had a solid year on booked orders with $310.7 million and orders backlog now approaching $700 million and over 2.5 gigawatt hours, positioning us to grow for the future. As you look at technology working out in the field, we're approaching 5 gigawatt hours of discharge energy out in the field. When you look at number of cycles that we're talking about, the number of cycles that we've put on the technology is becoming immense with over 34,000 cycles out in the field, showing the strength of what the EOS technology can do. With revenue, as I said earlier, we hit we slightly exceeded what our revised guidance was at the end of last year. Really strong performance by the operating team in Turtle Creek. And then on the cash side, Nathan will give a little bit more details, but $103 million in the bank, that doesn't include the $40.5 million that we drew on the last draw for the Cerberus loan. So, when you think about 2024 and really go through the year, really started off and really turned the corner in the second quarter when we closed the loan from Cerberus and created the strategic investment from them, which then flowed into closing the DOE loan, which then allowed us to really bring the soda line, the state of the art line in operation and really position EOS as a strong long duration energy storage operating company. If you go to the next page on page 5, I'd like to talk a little bit about the external environment, what we're seeing and how we're positioning the company against that backdrop. Really, what we're doing is scaling a company into a high growth environment. It's very exciting for all of us here at EOS on a day to day basis. When you look at the external landscape, there's a couple of truths that we really need to look at as you think about how this company will grow over time. The reality is energy demand is going to double out into 2050. But inside those numbers, you got to think about there's a couple of things happening here. We talk about and want to focus on the tremendous growth that we see here in the United States. We also need to think about globally. Part of what we're trying to do is also there's a lot of, what I would call, energy poverty in the world. We have people that don't have sustainable, reliable power that as we grow the company and think about positioning ourselves for the long-term, we can lean into that because we have such a simple, easy solution to operate in the harshest environments that fit well with that growth as we look to the future. At the same time, you're seeing a 25% CAGR over the next 10 years for long duration energy storage. So strong market, really evolving towards the EOS solution that will allow us to grow over the long-term. At the same time, we are operating in an uncertain regulatory environment. The uncertainty of that regulatory environment when you really think about it, EOS, we've been working for nearly seven years on building an American made products. When you think about our bill of materials being 90% US sourced, that protects us against the tariffs that we're seeing happening. At the same time, when you think about the IRA and the production tax credit and the investment tax credit, I believe and I think as people look at this, having a long-term investment tax credit is only going to help us as we grow into American Energy's independence and dominance, if you will, to having that long-term ITC. At the same time, the production tax credit is a great program, but that program needs to close loopholes around being able to utilize the production tax credit for repackaging products that are built elsewhere. What EOS does is EOS is bringing a product that has raw materials sourced in the United States, manufactured in the United States, containerized in the United States and shipped to customers. So, we really look at these regulatory uncertainties and think of the way we've been positioning the company over the past seven years, but we also need to remember that what we've always talked about, what I've always said is that we love having the incentives that are out there, but we've never relied on them to make the company successful. And that holds true even today. Now when you think about, and I think one of the big questions that everybody may have on their mind is, what's going to happen with the loan from the Department of Energy? What I would say is where we stand today, and I can only talk about where we stand today, our relationship with the loan program office has not changed. We're continuing to work with them on a regular basis to go through the execution around Project AMA
Nathan Kroeker
Thanks, Joe, thank you all for joining us this morning. It really has been an exciting year for us as a business. And as you may have seen last night, this is my last earnings call as the CFO here at EOS. It's been an incredible couple of years, and I am looking forward to spending more time with our customers as we go forward. Now, with that, let's dive into our commercial growth and our financial results. As we closed out 2024, our commercial pipeline stood at $14.4 billion reflecting a 9% year-over-year improvement. This represents 55 gigawatt hours of storage, of which 36% is now standalone storage as we're seeing incremental opportunities for energy arbitrage that drives improved customer economics, meaning these projects no longer need to be coupled with solar, wind or traditional generation to make them attractive. We anticipate this trend to continue as we go forward. You'll notice that we've simplified the format of this page from what you are used to seeing. As the company has matured, we've decided to consolidate our opportunity pipeline into a single metric. While each of the historical buckets experienced regular ups and downs, the ultimate measure of the commercial team's success is booked orders. We continue to see healthy turnover in both our opportunity pipeline as well as lead generation. Year-over-year lead generation is up 50%, of which $3.4 billion was added in the fourth quarter alone as we're seeing increased activity on the heels of all the progress we've made in 2024. In addition, we have successfully moved nearly $2.2 billion forward into our pipeline as technical proposals or quotes are being provided to customers. The commercial activity on this page is increasingly aligned with our value proposition of longer duration, multi cycle use cases, which EOS
Joe Mastrangelo
Thanks, Nathan. Just wrap up here before we get to q&a. We're reiterating the guidance that we issued earlier this year with $150 million to $190 million of revenue. That's 10x what we're talking about last year. Again, as I talked about earlier, we feel good about our ability to scale into that, to manage the supply chain as we move forward to be able to deliver on that. We're going to be doing some big things as you think about the year coming up. We feel really good about the stage subassembly automation, increasing containerization capacity as we get into the second half of the year. And then really as you start thinking about this, we're going to be doing more and more out in the field. So, when you start thinking about our cost of goods sold line, there's both product and project costs that are going to be there. And we feel that those project costs will drive service revenue in the future. So, you're going to have a little bit of a ramp up of those two pieces as we go through the year, but feel really good about the guidance number that we have and positioning the company to deliver in the long-term. Then I'll go to the last page here and really talk about continuing to strengthen the leadership team of EOS, continuing to build the company with aspirations to be a leader in long duration energy storage. I'd like to start off one by thanking Nathan for all the hard work he did as a CFO. When you look back at the body of work since he came in as a CFO, closing two complex loan transactions is really positioning the company for the long-term. He's been has hand in securing almost over $850 million of financing for the company to position us to grow for long-term. At the same time, a lot of the work that you saw in bankability at different parts of the company and getting rid of the material weakness, that has Nathan's fingerprints all over it. But at the same time, when Nathan came to EOS, what he and I talked about was his background really wasn't as operating, but as an energy operating leader. I think when you look at what he's done prior to coming to EOS, it fits perfectly in him going over into the Chief Commercial Officer role. We've also seen as we're out bringing projects to market with non-utilities, so developer utility scale projects, a lot of that requires a skill set that Nathan brings. And one thing that we didn't really talk about as we went through the second half of last year, Nathan has been wearing two hats. So, all the things that have been going on in the finance side, Nathan was also acting as the commercial leader to help us grow the pipeline. You saw the results in the orders in the second half of last year. So, I'm really excited as he moves over into the commercial role. At the same time, I'm very excited to bring Eric Javidi on as our CFO for the company. Eric comes with a background in financial markets, a background in high growth companies. He's had multiple global CFO positions. He's 15 of experience in the energy industry. I think he brings us the CFO that we need for the next few years here and beyond to really position as we grow and look forward to partnering with him and continuing to strengthen the team as we move forward. It's an exciting time at EOS. As I've said many times, we have a lot of work to do, but we have the team that can get the work done. And we're really looking forward to executing here throughout 2025. With that, I'll turn it over for q&a. Thanks.
Operator
Thank you. And the first question will come from Thomas Boyes with TD Cowen. Your line is open.
Thomas Boyes
Thanks for taking the questions. I'm just trying to maybe get a better understanding of what the potential revenue cadence could be for the year. Previously, you've kind of talked about positive contribution margin from
Joe Mastrangelo
Thomas, good morning. So, I think yes to both of your points, right? So, I think there's a part of this where we wanted to get through the backlog of our early book deals in 2024. That's obviously pushed into the first quarter. If you look at the orders that we're booking now with the costs that we have now, we're actually contribution margin positive when you think about the backlog that we're adding to the order book. I think as you think about the ramp throughout the year, I think you'll see first quarter similar to fourth quarter just because of that subassembly timing. The marketing team put out a video a week ago of the first equipment that's gone through factory acceptance that's now being installed in the factory in Turtle Creek. As we ramp into that subassembly, the labor costs come down, the output will go up, which is going to impact not only labor, but also that overhead number that we talked about, which will allow us to ramp in to growth as we go through the second and third quarter to get to the run rate of the line as we hit fourth quarter.
Thomas Boyes
And then maybe I'm just wondering about your discussions with customers, just given a lot of the very dynamic tariff environment, I've seen kind of reports just for lithium ion batteries from China that cost increase could be anywhere from like 7.5% to like over 20%. Do you think that's induced more demand from potential customers just as they look to kind of move away from lithium ion as maybe an exposure there?
Joe Mastrangelo
Well, look, before I turn it over to our Chief Commercial Officer, I'd say like having an American made product is clearly an advantage right now in the environment that we're in and what's happened here over the last forty eight hours. But at the same time, it's not just the tariff part that makes EOS a compelling solution. It's also what we talked about as in the energy industry, everybody likes to normalize to do analysis, right? So, you pick operating points so you can compare. The reality of how you actually use the equipment is very different than how you talk about it in situations like this. And what we have been focused on as a team because when you really look at the team that we have, you have energy leaders in the company, is how to give a technology that's going to work in real world situations. So, I just think that we all have to get our head around, we all have to start looking at, you don't just charge a battery up for a period of time and then discharge it for a set period of time and that's it. When you look at the way that things operate and the way that the grid operates, you need technology that's going to be able to flex with the supply and demand ebb and flows that happen throughout the day, and we've got a technology that allows you to do that. With that, I'll turn it over to Nathan to add any color he has because he's the one out there actually talking to the customers every day.
Nathan Kroeker
Yes, think every customer has a different thing that they're focused on. So, every conversation is a little different. In some cases, if upfront CapEx is paramount and it's a short duration project, yes, they're focused on tariffs and Chinese products. But that's becoming a much smaller piece of the conversations that we're having every day. Like Joe said, we're selling levelized cost of storage. We've got a significant advantage in levelized cost of storage relative to other technologies out there, particularly when you're looking at four plus hour duration, driven by multi cycle capability, just the additional flexibility that you get out of the system and no 7 to 10 year augmentation on the system. So, we're really focused in our conversations with customers about how do we get them the economic returns that they need to get their projects done. And I would say, yes, we have conversations on Chinese tariffs, but that's a small piece of the overall broader discussion that we're having with customers these days.
Operator
And the next question will come from Stephen Gengaro with Stifel.
Stephen Gengaro
Two things for me. So, the first just a follow-up on the response to the first question. When we think about the kind of the revenue push out on the third quarter conference call, I thought the enclosures were sort of the biggest problem. And I was just curious if you could comment on kind of where that supply chain stands. I think you've diversified the supply chain. And maybe a little more detail on why that doesn't lead to a more rapid kind of first quarter or even second quarter ramp in revenue. I'm a little I'm sort of disconnected on those two factors.
Joe Mastrangelo
So, first part, Stephen, on diversifying the supply chain for Enclosures, we've got multiple suppliers that are supplying to us, and we're also working through with other additional suppliers to help us be able to scale capacity, and not just scale the capacity, but take cost out and simplify the product. So, that's always paramount to us on number one. Obviously, as you know, you don't just turn the supply chain on and start producing at scale on day one. There's a ramp for each individual supplier as you go through that, and we're ramping into that. At the same time, like when you think about this, and we've always said this, given the timing of when we close the Cerberus loan, when we close the DOE loan, we had a push on the subassembly automation That's going to happen in the first quarter. And as you scale into that is when we're going to have more batteries coming off the line. The problem is not the line itself. The line performs as we talked about. You got to feed the line. You got to feed the beast, we're building up the entire supply chain to flow that and get everything operating as we go through that.
Stephen Gengaro
Okay, great. That helps. And the second question is just around the backlog growth. And I'm not sure how -- as the backlog gets larger, I feel like maybe there's a little more, is it possible to give kind of more color on sort of the components of the backlog, even if it's by kind of addressable market, if not by kind of customer concentration?
Joe Mastrangelo
I don't think we'd ever talk about customer concentration. Think, Steve, we can certainly give metrics around like we talk about having more standalone storage. When you look at the last three orders that we've announced, they're all standalone storage orders. So, we can talk about segmentation of where the use case is going to be and maybe segmentation generically between developer, utility, C and I type customers as we move forward.
Operator
The next question will come from Chip Moore with ROTH Capital Partners.
Chip Moore
Good morning. Hey, I guess first Nathan, congrats on the new role and nice job on all the heavy lifting. Joe, I wanted to ask your comments around the demand you see and proactively looking to build capacity. Maybe expand on that. Is this a function of customers becoming maybe more strategic in longer term? Or what are you seeing there? And then are there ways to ensure those commitments maybe as you get closer to potentially deploying capital?
Joe Mastrangelo
Yes, Chip. You've seen the factory with your own eyes in Turtle Creek. It's impressive for people to come see that. Obviously, we are we become the supply chain of someone else, and they look at your supply chain and do you want to place the bet on the size of the deals. When we started our strategy of how we wanted to invest in capacity, a big project was 50 megawatt hours. That's an extremely small project right now. I mean, a lot of the things that we're talking about are 500 megawatt hours and higher. So, you start thinking about add a line, add a line, add a line. It just didn't make sense to be doing it in a staged fashion. It made a lot more sense to come out and say, all right, let's add a big chunk of capacity to feed the projects for people that Nathan and the team are bringing in to look at the facility and talk about the growth. We also saw the ability to diversify. We've always talked about our strategy of building out the capacity where you can build it by line and not needing a massive mega or giga factory to make the company profitable and to really co locate near demand to lower logistics costs. So, we started looking at what's coming in from an opportunity pipeline, where that's located. We said, let's do two things at once here. Let's get more capacity online like we've always talked about in the Mond Valley, and we're going to do that. At the same time, let's find our second home. Like many people in Pittsburgh, I guess, we're going to have our home in Pittsburgh, but we'll have another place somewhere sunny that's closer to where all the demand is and get a couple of lines in there and really diversify and allow us to get closer to customers and closer to new supply bases to grow the company. It just makes sense given the demand and the size of projects that we're seeing.
Chip Moore
Very helpful, Joe. And maybe just a follow-up. Any lessons or things you've learned applicable to future sites in terms of optimization and things like that?
Joe Mastrangelo
Yes. When you really look at what the team has done in Turtle Creek, right, we fit capacity into a footprint. When we look at this and as we've learned and looked at raw material warehousing into subassembly manufacturing into building modules and then containerizing them and shipping, we want a facility that we can do that on a straight shot and really on a single line that moves through the factory that allows us to get productivity, not as reduce the number of material moves, reduce the cost of logistics. As we look at this, one of the key things for us is we want to be co located near a logistics hub. We want to hopefully have a rail yard nearby so that you can start talking about not just trucking, but shipping. As you get larger projects, putting a lot of cubes on trains is probably cheaper in the long haul and doing the last mile by truck versus the whole thing by truck. So, there's a lot of different things that we're looking at. I'm excited about what we're seeing coming in as far as locations and states and how people want to bring us into their communities. And I think as we down select and go through this process, we'll keep everyone updated on it. Like really, for us, it's just finding the place where you could build out and think big. I think what we've done up until now, prior to June of last year, was everything was about conserving every dollar, doing the most we could with everything that we had to get to a point where you had to believe that the company was going to grow and thrive. And once now that we have that financing behind us and that partnership and the customers coming, we've really got to think big about how we want to grow this thing. So, although we're talking about two lines, what I would say is the building will be able to hold more than two lines. And we've got to then take that learning. Like one of the big things as you think about how we want to grow the company and the company that we have, you can't do too many things at once. But like you sit there and Nathan alluded to like some of the things we see going on internationally right now, at some point, we're going to have to look at what are we going to do internationally and shipping things by boat from the US is not going to be the most cost effective way to do that. So, as we get through and learn how to stand up Factory Number 2 in the US, there'll be Factory number 3 that will be somewhere else. And we just got to keep growing the company and really developing it into the growth trajectory that we see and the demand curve that we see. Thanks, Jim.
Operator
The next question will come from Tom Curran with Seaport Research. Your line is open.
Tom Curran
Curious, as we look at these three next goals for upgrading Mondeleworks [ph], the stage sub assembly automation, the increased containerization capacity and the higher project service revenue, for each of those the three of those, assuming you're remaining on track for the revenue guidance range, could you just give us an idea of what each of them, when achieved, could contribute to gross profit margin improvement?
Joe Mastrangelo
Well, so Tom, what I would do is like if you go back to page 7, right? So, when you think about this, we've proven out we can drive direct material costs out of the product. What we've always said and I believe is it's still an early life cycle technology, so there's a lot of cost that can still come out of this product. And as you learn, you get smarter and you just reset your funnel and go after more opportunities to take costs out, and that's exactly what we're going to do in 2025. On the labor side, the labor required to run the state of the art line is on plan. It's what we thought it would be. And it's the productivity that you gain from going from the sub from doing it semi-automated to automated has been tremendous. To keep up and feed the line, we've had to bring in temporary workforce to be able to manufacture subassemblies. That's going to drive down the cost when you turn that on. At the same time, our containerization, what we're talking about here is truly coming back and looking at how we put modules in the trays, trays in the cubes and cubes out the door. When we look at this and you start thinking about this, it's like, well, this is no different than building a car or a bus. We should be thinking about it that way. So, there's productivity that will get out of there. Those things, as you learn and do, you pick up ways to take costs out, and that's what's going to drive us the gross margin positive and continue to accrete the value of the product. And I feel really good about the cost entitlement that this product has. It's now up to us to get the supplier relationships in place to be able to do that. And obviously, as you gain credibility, we spend a lot of time talking about the customer side of this. You also have to think about the supplier side. Somebody that's coming and wants to supply to EOS, up until June of last year, we had a lot of suppliers taking a big bet on us as far as what they were going to ship us, when were they going to get paid. Now that you're sitting here with where we are being capitalized and growing, you start looking at this and you start talking about like how do we extend terms to really get and drive working capital. That's one of the reasons why Eric came into the company given his experience is like how do we wind up where we're really driving inventory turns, payables and receivables and get that all linked up so that we get the right working capital model with the right growth model and really position the company to grow as we move forward.
Nathan Kroeker
The only thing I would add, you asked about service revenue. I mean, I think we had $1 million in service revenue last year. That's high margin revenue, and that's really a function of systems installed out in the field. Significant number of our customers are purchasing long-term service agreements as well. And so, as we increase the installed base out in the field, I would anticipate that line item continues to grow, both in total and as well as percentage of total revenue over time. So that one will take some time to grow, but that's good solid margin business.
Tom Curran
That's helpful. And then for the actual revenue guidance band of $150 million to $190 million, are there any swing variables that are likely to determine where you fall within that band that are entirely within your control or at least in house variables? And if so, could you expound on those?
Joe Mastrangelo
I think it's what we talked about earlier as far as scaling in throughout the quarters would really the two main things are going to be getting the semi-automated manufacturing up to get more throughput out of line and bringing in lean principles and an assembly line approach to how we do containerization to get to the back end and get within the higher end of the guidance range. But I'd stick with the range right now as we sit here in March.
Tom Curran
Got it. So maybe I should have asked another way, Joe, because all that is clear. You guys have done a great job with that. But more are there any specific projects in the backlog, maybe bigger ones, where it's still just not entirely clear when it'll ship and therefore, it will be the customers call as to whether you come in at 160 or 175 or 180 or just really mainly a reflection of--
Joe Mastrangelo
We gave guidance because we feel comfortable with the range. It's a dynamic environment. Where we sit today, we're comfortable with the range.
Operator
The next question will come from Martin Malloy with Johnson Rice and Company. Line is open.
Martin Malloy
First, I wanted to ask about customer feedback on the early
Nathan Kroeker
Yes. I'd say just in general, very positive sentiment out there. As Joe mentioned earlier, we're seeing significant increase in overall project size, both in the pipeline and opportunities we're pursuing as well as some of the more recent transactions that we've announced. That's coming both from utilities as well as from some of the larger developers. I think the world in general, as we talked about, understands there's a growing need for long duration storage. We're seeing that come through in the proposals that we're bidding on and the projects that we're winning. So, I think the fundamentals are moving in our favor, both in terms of duration as well as overall project size.
Joe Mastrangelo
What I would just add on utility customers. We talk about this on every call. We're going through and working with every major utility. They're in the pipeline of opportunities. They like what they're seeing. It's a process, and we're working through that process with them.
Operator
I show no further questions in the audio q&a. I would like to turn the call back over to Liz.
Joe Mastrangelo
Yes. So, before we go to Liz, operator, just so we opened up questions to the retail base through today. So, we've got some good questions come in. I mean, obviously, there's a lot of similar thoughts from sell side analysts and the retail base, which is great. So, what we did was we prioritized the questions on number of shares that voted. And the top questions, three of the top four questions were asked. So, Liz is going to just go through the two that remain open and Nathan and I will address those. Go ahead Liz.
Liz Higley
Thanks, Joe. And just want to say thanks for everyone for participating in this. We look forward to doing this on future calls. So, for the first question, have potential customers communicated any hesitancy in placing orders due to uncertainty associated with the IRA tax credits? If these tax credits are reduced or removed, how does the company project it would impact your growth for Project AMA
Nathan Kroeker
Thanks, Liz. Look, I think it's a mixed bag. I mean, anything that we currently have in backlog is a defined project. We've got delivery dates. I would say there's really no impact to anything that's in the backlog today. When you look into the pipeline, we are getting different feedback projects that are at NTP, close to NTP. They've got land secured. They've got interconnections secured. I'd say there's really no impact there. Those are effectively committed and moving forward and they don't want to lose any time and so they're not slowing down. Some of the very early stage opportunities in the pipeline, I think, is where we see customers pausing for just a second and reflecting. The one thing I would reiterate though is this business was never built on the IRA tax credits. We think this business is meeting a need in the marketplace. And the tax credits accelerate the path to profitability, but they're not critical to getting to profitability. They're not critical to getting to scale. And if we execute on everything that we've laid out earlier on this call, I think we're going have a very successful business and good growth potential going forward.
Joe Mastrangelo
And the only thing I would add, Nathan, to your comments is I've seen this in my career when you look at both the solar industry and the wind industry as far as timing around ITC and people making decisions off of what the ITC programs are. As I said in my earlier comments, I believe having a 10 year program is critical here. The country needs all types of energy. I've said many times on the record that I believe having a good natural gas policy is important for not only the country but our allies. And I think it's I think it will be good to see those large chunks of power coming on driven by gas. But at the same time, what we've been talking about, and we've said this all along, is it's not storage plus. When you look at our last three deals being standalone storage, the grid needs the storage. Also have to think about the amount of energy that's wasted every day through curtailment of not being able to put it on the grid. That's what storage is going to do, and that's what having a flexible resource like EOS helps you accomplish. So, it's going to help us make the grid more effective. It's going to make grid investment deliver higher returns, and it's going to allow us to be more effective as the country moves towards energy independence and energy dominance.
Liz Higley
What is the current strategy on international expansion and global production scaling, particularly criteria that drive timing, geography and other key factors driving decisions on when and where to expand EOS globally?
Nathan Kroeker
Look, I think international markets are pretty exciting right now as we talked about earlier in the prepared remarks. In terms of how we're prioritizing international expansion, we're really looking at a couple of different things. Number one, where is the market opportunity, right? Where do we have the right regulatory framework? Where do we have the right situations on these grids, the price volatility, the things that make it an attractive long duration storage market. Looking what sort of incentives and programs are in place in each of these jurisdictions. And then look at where do we think we can get manufacturing or effective logistics costs in order to meet that need at a price point that makes economic sense for customers as well as for HEOS. So, there's a number of markets out there. We're evaluating them. We've got a few pilot projects that we've talked about previously, but continuing to do our work and prioritize those as we go forward and look forward to announcing more in upcoming calls on this.
Liz Higley
Thanks, Nathan. With that, I'm going hand the call back over to Joe.
Joe Mastrangelo
Look, we're a couple of minutes here over time. So, I'll wrap up quickly here and just say there's a lot going on inside the company every day, and we've got the team to be able to deliver. We continue to build out a leadership team with experience in the industry that have been in high growth environments that have scaled companies, and we're going to continue to stay focused on the overall goals. We'll adjust the strategy as we see things changing in the marketplace, and you saw one of those adjustments today with how we're thinking about sourcing and implementing manufacturing capacity. We need to keep grinding forward and have the grit to keep delivering. And I think the most important thing underlying all of this, when we talk about the industry consolidation that you're seeing, a lot of that begins and ends with having the right product. And we felt from day one that we have the right product to meet the future demand and latent demand in the marketplace. And now we've got to bring that product to market, and we're laser focused on being able to do that and being able to deliver on our commitments for shareholders and for customers. Thank you, everyone, for listening. Look forward to keeping everyone updated on the progress.
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